Miracles wrote:PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote:Miracles wrote:Remember Whis stated that Beerus used 60% of his power against red in BoG? Then in RoF Whis only says MAYBE two blue's can fight Beerus head up at the same time?.
Remember people were claiming that Blue Kaioken Goku was close to Beerus due to his emotional reaction in U6 tournament arc? Then Beerus casually challenges Goku at the end of the battle?
Now you guys are falling for the trap of appealing to emotion again concerning Beerus. But in the TOP Beerus was smiling when Goku perfected Ultra Instinct. Like he wanted that.
Seriously people, leave Beerus alone, he is Goku and Vegeta's goal. Toriyama won't have them surpass Beerus until the end, right before Goku trains Uub.
Then why don't you leave him alone? If you're so sure Beerus will keep moving the goalpost, then let him speak for himself through dialogue and feats.
You're not gonna convince anyone with your own words, so let the purple cat himself do the convincing.
I've been saying that. The purple cat has the STORY on his side. You guys got nothing but headcannon. The story has already stated that Beerus has a fated prophesied battle with Goku.
Yet people are saying he is surpassed. When the story stated no such thing. That's a complete contradiction of story facts. I like truth and the truth is nothing indicates Beerus is surpassed.
It has nothing to do with convincing people or not. The fact is people are just flat out wrong and your being told about it.
Okay then, let's analyze these facts, shall we?
Whis makes mention of a mortal who even a God of Destruction (the usage of the terminology implies as a whole, rather than a specific one) cannot defeat, then states that this God of Destruction is even stronger than Beerus. Beerus contests this by stating it was just an arm-wrestling match, but his demeanour during this exchange implies that he was just trying to save face and that Whis was relatively on the mark.
Jiren then completely dominates SSB/KKx20 Goku whilst still remaining heavily suppressed, with Whis confirming that Jiren is indeed the mortal of rumour who has reached the level of a God of Destruction and potentially even surpassed it (once again, using the terminology in a general sense, implying the level of God of Destruction as a whole rather than any particular one). We then see that Ultra Instinct Goku gets all of the Gods of Destruction standing, including Beerus, while Jiren, this mortal who has surpassed THEIR level, goes at him at full power to no avail.
Then, Jiren awakens hidden power by remembering his past trauma and becomes far stronger than his full power; he only barely manages to match up with Ultra Instinct Goku.
Sounds to me as though you're making erroneous comparisons where the dialogue and scenes imply a different context than what you espouse. And of course, you'll try and contest this by saying that I'm bending the facts and fabricating details, when in fact I was only doing the same as you: interpreting the facts based on how they appear to me.
