Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Fri May 10, 2019 12:27 am

Zamasu55 wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 10:42 am So Merged Zamasu is an ant compared to Jiren, and bear in mind that this version of the U11's fighter is really nerfed, considering he isn't using any of his strongest attacks nor his powered up form.
Not really an ant but yeah, he's considerably weaker.

Jiren is also stronger I think.

We doing top 25? Here's mine:

1. Zeno|Future Zeno|Infinite Zamasu
2. Grand Priest
3. Angels
4. UI Goku
5. LB Jiren
6. BR SSB Gogeta
7 LSSJ Broly
8. GoDs
9. 3rd UI Omen Goku
10. FT SSB Vegetto
11. Genki Sword SSI Trunks
12. Power Weighted Corrupted Merged Zamasu
13. Enraged SSB Evolution Vegeta
14. GoD Toppo
15. SSJ2 Kefla
16. Kaioken x20 SSB Goku
17. Aniraza
18. Golden Freeza
19. SSR Goku Black
20. Hit
21. Ultimate Gohan
22. Android 17
23. Koichiarator
24. Pirina|Saonel
25. Commeson SSB Vegeta

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Fri May 10, 2019 1:45 am

Did anyone talk about the much loved Dragon Ball Heroes yet?

Super Saiyan Royal Blue Vegeta beat the tar out of Kamioren. This was the same person who couldn't hit Ultra Instinct Omen Goku but wasn't too impressed by his attack.

This Hearts guy is pretty OP.

But then Jiren....why does it seem like he's already becoming nothing special? I know this happens with Dragon Ball but it's happening before the actual continuation of Dragon Ball Super.

He's already been punked twice by Hearts, Zamasu is kinda making a fool of him in a way and then he only matched Cumber.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Nokra » Fri May 10, 2019 7:56 am

ZombieVito wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 12:27 am
Zamasu55 wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 10:42 am So Merged Zamasu is an ant compared to Jiren, and bear in mind that this version of the U11's fighter is really nerfed, considering he isn't using any of his strongest attacks nor his powered up form.
Not really an ant but yeah, he's considerably weaker.

Jiren is also stronger I think.

We doing top 25? Here's mine:

1. Zeno|Future Zeno|Infinite Zamasu
2. Grand Priest
3. Angels
4. UI Goku
5. LB Jiren
6. BR SSB Gogeta
7 LSSJ Broly
8. GoDs
9. 3rd UI Omen Goku
10. FT SSB Vegetto
11. Genki Sword SSI Trunks
12. Power Weighted Corrupted Merged Zamasu
13. Enraged SSB Evolution Vegeta
14. GoD Toppo
15. SSJ2 Kefla
16. Kaioken x20 SSB Goku
17. Aniraza
18. Golden Freeza
19. SSR Goku Black
20. Hit
21. Ultimate Gohan
22. Android 17
23. Koichiarator
24. Pirina|Saonel
25. Commeson SSB Vegeta
why is gohan higher than 17?

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Fri May 10, 2019 8:25 am

Bullza wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 1:45 am Did anyone talk about the much loved Dragon Ball Heroes yet?

Super Saiyan Royal Blue Vegeta beat the tar out of Kamioren. This was the same person who couldn't hit Ultra Instinct Omen Goku but wasn't too impressed by his attack.

This Hearts guy is pretty OP.

But then Jiren....why does it seem like he's already becoming nothing special? I know this happens with Dragon Ball but it's happening before the actual continuation of Dragon Ball Super.

He's already been punked twice by Hearts, Zamasu is kinda making a fool of him in a way and then he only matched Cumber.
Well this Zamasu is fully immortal, so there's nothing Jiren can do actually.

By the way, it's not that he's nothing special, it's that he isn't using any of his strongest techniques or forms. Anyway, in the arcade game Jiren takes on the Core Area Warriors all at once without a problem, so it's just the anime.
Let's wait for the manga version.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Fri May 10, 2019 8:39 am

My rank would be something like this:

1- King of all
2- Great Priest
3- Angels
4- Gogeta
5- Goku
6- Broly
7- Jiren
8- Gods of Destruction
9- Trunks
10- Vegetto
11- Zamas
12- Vegeta
13- Top
14- Kafla
15- Kale
16- Anilasa
17- Hit
18- Dyspo
19- Black
20- Freeza

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Fri May 10, 2019 12:59 pm

Nokra wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 7:56 am why is gohan higher than 17?
Because Gohan rivaled SSB Goku|Golden Freeza and 17 didn't.

17 even calls a weakened Golden Freeza a "monster".
Hugo Boss wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 8:39 am My rank would be something like this:

1- King of all
2- Great Priest
3- Angels
4- Gogeta
5- Goku
6- Broly
7- Jiren
8- Gods of Destruction
9- Trunks
10- Vegetto
11- Zamas
12- Vegeta
13- Top
14- Kafla
15- Kale
16- Anilasa
17- Hit
18- Dyspo
19- Black
20- Freeza
Black over Freeza?

Why is Dyspo higher than Freeza?

Hit shouldn't be higher than Freeza since he's weaker than SSB Goku.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Fri May 10, 2019 1:32 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 12:59 pm Black over Freeza?

Why is Dyspo higher than Freeza?

Hit shouldn't be higher than Freeza since he's weaker than SSB Goku.
Before merging with Zamas, Black was toying with Goku and Vegeta.

Dyspo is higher than Freeza because he was winning their fight, until Gohan intervened.

Hit’s battle power is not what makes him rank that high, it’s his special abilities. Specially the ones he used against Jiren.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Fri May 10, 2019 1:43 pm

Dyspo is up there. He's kind of like Hit, nothing particularly special without his abilities but with them it really drives him up.

He was blitzing Frieza.

Actually I wonder who would even be faster between Dyspo and his Maximum Speed Mode and just Jiren.

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Post by wolflonnie » Fri May 10, 2019 2:04 pm

I guess why not.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Nokra » Fri May 10, 2019 3:29 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 12:59 pm
Nokra wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 7:56 am why is gohan higher than 17?
Because Gohan rivaled SSB Goku|Golden Freeza and 17 didn't.

17 even calls a weakened Golden Freeza a "monster".
Hugo Boss wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 8:39 am My rank would be something like this:

1- King of all
2- Great Priest
3- Angels
4- Gogeta
5- Goku
6- Broly
7- Jiren
8- Gods of Destruction
9- Trunks
10- Vegetto
11- Zamas
12- Vegeta
13- Top
14- Kafla
15- Kale
16- Anilasa
17- Hit
18- Dyspo
19- Black
20- Freeza
Black over Freeza?

Why is Dyspo higher than Freeza?

Hit shouldn't be higher than Freeza since he's weaker than SSB Goku.
Gohan had to beg his daddy to go full power. 17 made Goku go full power. 17 is way more tactical and strategic than gohan ever will be. He also has INFINITE ENERGY. so how exactly is Gohan higher?

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Fri May 10, 2019 3:56 pm

Hugo Boss wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 1:32 pm
ZombieVito wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 12:59 pm Black over Freeza?

Why is Dyspo higher than Freeza?

Hit shouldn't be higher than Freeza since he's weaker than SSB Goku.
Before merging with Zamas, Black was toying with Goku and Vegeta.

Dyspo is higher than Freeza because he was winning their fight, until Gohan intervened.

Hit’s battle power is not what makes him rank that high, it’s his special abilities. Specially the ones he used against Jiren.
So you don't think Blue Goku, Blue Vegeta and Golden Freeza surpass him even by the Broly movie? Interesting.

Dyspo was doing that by speed not power but since you are also factoring in techniques and such then I guess it's fine.
Nokra wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 3:29 pm Gohan had to beg his daddy to go full power. 17 made Goku go full power. 17 is way more tactical and strategic than gohan ever will be. He also has INFINITE ENERGY. so how exactly is Gohan higher?
And Gohan still rivaled him.

17 never made Goku go full power. Thats an outright lie.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Fri May 10, 2019 4:11 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 3:56 pm So you don't think Blue Goku, Blue Vegeta and Golden Freeza surpass him even by the Broly movie? Interesting.
If you count only battle power, I think they probably did surpass him. But I don’t see how they would counter that Black’s skill that uses several ghost versions of himself. I could imagine that Goku would be able to beat that with kaioken, perhaps? Vegeta would either use final flash or final explosion. What does Freeza have? Could he pierce all the ghosts with his laser beams and manage to find an opening in Black’s defense?

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Post by Soldierofficial » Fri May 10, 2019 5:14 pm

1- Zeno
2- Infinite Zamasu
3- Grand Priest
4- Angels
5- Zeno's Guards
6- SSB Gogeta
7- LSSJ Broly
8- Beerus/Champa/SSB Vegetto
9- MUI Goku
10- LB Jiren
11- FP Jiren
12- Belmod/UI Omen Goku
13- Quitela
14- Gin
15- Liquir/Arak/Iwan
16- Helles
17- SSJ Gogeta
18- SSJ Broly
19- Ramushi/Mosco/Sidra
20- SSBKKx20 Goku/SSBE Vegeta
21- GoD Toppo
22- Spirit Sword Future Trunks
23- Merged Zamasu
24- SSJ2 Kefla
25- Base Gogeta

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Post by ZombieVito » Fri May 10, 2019 5:30 pm

Do people really consider KKx20 Blue Goku stronger than Kefla and GoD Toppo?

Like what? :shock:

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Post by Soldierofficial » Fri May 10, 2019 6:48 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 5:30 pm Do people really consider KKx20 Blue Goku stronger than Kefla and GoD Toppo?

Like what? :shock:
Current Goku? Yeah, I have no reason to think that Vegeta is still much stronger than Goku (w/o UI), both have the same strength in base form, and we know that SSBE = SSBKK.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Nokra » Fri May 10, 2019 10:01 pm

ZombieVito wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 3:56 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 1:32 pm
ZombieVito wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 12:59 pm Black over Freeza?

Why is Dyspo higher than Freeza?

Hit shouldn't be higher than Freeza since he's weaker than SSB Goku.
Before merging with Zamas, Black was toying with Goku and Vegeta.

Dyspo is higher than Freeza because he was winning their fight, until Gohan intervened.

Hit’s battle power is not what makes him rank that high, it’s his special abilities. Specially the ones he used against Jiren.
So you don't think Blue Goku, Blue Vegeta and Golden Freeza surpass him even by the Broly movie? Interesting.

Dyspo was doing that by speed not power but since you are also factoring in techniques and such then I guess it's fine.
Nokra wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 3:29 pm Gohan had to beg his daddy to go full power. 17 made Goku go full power. 17 is way more tactical and strategic than gohan ever will be. He also has INFINITE ENERGY. so how exactly is Gohan higher?
And Gohan still rivaled him.

17 never made Goku go full power. Thats an outright lie.
Even if he "rivaled" his blue form (he didn't) he still would lose to 17 who has a powerful barrier, infinite energy and is extremely tactical/strategic. 17 was the first person to do actual damage to Jiren also which is a feat I highly doubt Gohan could pull off. Goku literally stated in ep. 86 that he "didn't intend to use blue" which implies he was forced to because of 17s power. The fact is that 17 would beat Lamehans ass 9 times out of 10 due to all of his hax. Suck it up fanboy :thumbup:

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Sat May 11, 2019 12:47 am

Soldierofficial wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 6:48 pm Current Goku? Yeah, I have no reason to think that Vegeta is still much stronger than Goku (w/o UI), both have the same strength in base form, and we know that SSBE = SSBKK.
But SSBE is far weaker than Kefla or GoD Toppo.
Nokra wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:01 pm Even if he "rivaled" his blue form (he didn't)
Narrator confirmed it. You have no argument here.
Nokra wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:01 pm he still would lose to 17 who has a powerful barrier, infinite energy and is extremely tactical/strategic.
This is nothing but headcanon.
Nokra wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:01 pm 17 was the first person to do actual damage to Jiren also which is a feat I highly doubt Gohan could pull off.
He damaged Jiren by hitting him on the back and off guard. Not really impressive at all.
Nokra wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:01 pm Goku literally stated in ep. 86 that he "didn't intend to use blue" which implies he was forced to because of 17s power.
How is this proof that 17 > Gohan? Good job ignoring 17 saying Freeza was a monster. That's as clear cut power statement as it can get.
Nokra wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 10:01 pm The fact is that 17 would beat Lamehans ass 9 times out of 10 due to all of his hax. Suck it up fanboy :thumbup:
You sound like a 12 year old.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by Soldierofficial » Sat May 11, 2019 1:08 am

ZombieVito wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 12:47 am
Soldierofficial wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 6:48 pm Current Goku? Yeah, I have no reason to think that Vegeta is still much stronger than Goku (w/o UI), both have the same strength in base form, and we know that SSBE = SSBKK.
But SSBE is far weaker than Kefla or GoD Toppo.
SSBE Vegeta defeated GoD Toppo, Vegeta is stronger than both after his last power up, and that power up was not temporary since Jiren when he fought him said he understood why Toppo was defeated.

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Post by ruler9871 » Sat May 11, 2019 1:11 am

ZombieVito wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 12:47 am Snip
SSBE Vegeta surpassed both GoD Toppo & SSJ2 Kefla after gaining the pride boost in ep.126.

Plus, SSBKKx20 was confirmed to be equal to SSBE so that means Post-ToP Goku (without UI) surpassed them too.
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.

Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Post by ruler9871 » Sat May 11, 2019 1:15 am

Soldierofficial wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 1:08 am
ZombieVito wrote: Sat May 11, 2019 12:47 am
Soldierofficial wrote: Fri May 10, 2019 6:48 pm Current Goku? Yeah, I have no reason to think that Vegeta is still much stronger than Goku (w/o UI), both have the same strength in base form, and we know that SSBE = SSBKK.
But SSBE is far weaker than Kefla or GoD Toppo.
SSBE Vegeta defeated GoD Toppo, Vegeta is stronger than both after his last power up, and that power up was not temporary since Jiren when he fought him said he understood why Toppo was defeated.
I was just about to say this but you beat me to it.

Also, Jiren's statement in ep.127 implies that even a heavily fatigued SSBE Vegeta is still stronger than GoD Toppo after the pride boost.
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.

Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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