But if Base Vegito is the result of the strongest form of the fusees, meaning he equals SS3 Goku, he wouldn't really need such a high kaioken.ZombieVito wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:21 amYes but it would be foolish.
Why be 20 times stronger with strain if you can be 50 times without any strain?
In your list, Base Vegito is below SS3 Goku which could also work, and Buuhan like 4 times stronger than Base Vegito, right? so even a lower kaioken could do the job, 5x would be enough to kick ass without a notorious strain. Why? I don't know, I was just trying to explain how could he take on Buuhan in base and reconciliate manga and anime, which might be impossible.
If VB is 8x stronger, (i'd take it down a notch though, it seems too big of a gap) that would make SS4 Goku 18x stronger than his SS3 in order to close the gap with Baby, let Baby go ape with the 10x boost and have an even final bout.Grand Marshal 1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:22 am
I might have gone a little wild. But yeah the 8 times difference is perhaps a good one compared to Goku. I hope that with this scale I cleared some things up. Let me summarize.
(I compare GT with Buu saga characters)
yes, I think this works, GT base Goku = Z SS3 although it could work, sounds crazy to gain in 5 years what he couldn't in decades, and also to lowball it a little because not even Goku becoming a child lowballs this show.
- Base GT Goku=SSJ Z Goku
Here I'm not so sure, actually not at all. I take everything before Rilldo like a confusing filler that makes no sense but is there to keep the plot going and is quite boring. Trunks and Goten retired so they should be weaker than what they showed in EoZ, during the whole run they never prove to be anything worthy, they even take the weaker guys from hell. Actually Trunks lasts a second against A-17(years before the notion that he could improve and IIRC the tweaked one was the one that was built in hell). I'll place them with the rest of the fodder. Same goes for Gohan, GTPF says he kept training, even though they kept the same characterization of him from when he was a retired fighter at EoZ (and early DBS) and a scholar, but he lost the ultimate form and his SS is weaker than Base Goku. If we highball Goku's base, then Gohan's training got him weaker than his father's Z SS3. Additional material contradict the show, it's crazy how little thought was put into this kind of thing.
- Base GT Trunks/Goten=5×Z Base Goku or 10% Base GT Goku
Yes, I'm with you here, nothing implies he reached his true potential at the beginning, actually he says he has to keep training so apparently still had room for improvement.
- Uub (early GT)=SSJ Z Goku
- Sigma Force members=SSJ Z Goku (Natt being the only one slightly weaker)
- Super Mega Cannon Sigma=SSJ3 Z Goku
About Rilldo, Goku either meant Fat Buu the one they all know and care about (he was talking to Trunks and Pan who grew up with Buu in his grampa's house) or the final boss Kid Buu who Trunks knows about, he contributed to the genki dama and can understand the comparison. The fused Buus aren't really Buu, their power comes from the absorbees, it should've been clarified if that was the case. Goku never refers to Buu as Majin Buu either. Low ball: fat boo, high ball: kid buu. He shows, later on, that he is stronger than Gohan but weaker than Majuub.
- Base Rilldo=SSJ3 Z Goku
It makes sense, a year of hard training could work for him, maybe stronger, I think it would work better if he was much stronger.
- Uub (Baby Saga)=Kid Buu/SSJ3 Z Goku
- Hyper Mega Rilldo=2× SSJ3 Z Goku
Yes, I can agree, if he started as Kid Buu. If he started as Fat Buu then maybe he caps at Z Ultimate Gohan.
- Metal Rilldo=4× SSJ3 Z Goku/Buutenks
I'm nice with Majuub, so maybe he is Super Buu level on his own. Super Buu absorbed SS3 Gotenks who was stronger than Fat Buu, so Majuub should be even lower than Buutenks, but for the sake of GT's weird power level, maybe it was a stronger form of fusion than Buu's absorption, and also the plot requires so, thus I'll say the fusion makes him stronger than Buutenks and grows even stronger from there. Maybe we could blame it on him having god ki. Enough to one-shot Base Rildo and save Gohan.
- Majuub=Super Buu (early on), Enraged Buuhan (after adapting and growing in power)
8x Base GT Goku would be Goku KKx8... I think you meant 8x SS GT Goku, what would be his SS3.
- Base Baby Vegeta=8×Base GT Goku
- Base Vegito=SSJ3 Z Goku
- Super Vegito=SSJ3 GT Goku
- Super Saiyan Baby Vegeta=Super Vegito(is stronger than Super Vegito but not by a great margin)
Yes, I think that's fair, but 8x seems like an important margin to me. According to Goku, Baby was stronger than Buuhan before achieving his final form, so his final form should surpass Super Vegito. When they face each other again, Baby turns Golden Ape and SS4 Goku matches that, SS4 being 10x Super Vegito sounds ok to me.
May Zamasu's Blades of Judgement be brought down on me by the other power scalers
I read here a nice theory about Vegeta Baby, regarding his power ups and how they not necessarily have the SS multiplier because of him not being a saiyan and not getting the full power(he was the reason Vegeta didn't turn SS4), this way his power ups would stay within each other and doesn't get 100sx stronger in a matter of 5 minutes.