Hugo Boss wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:35 pm
TheSaiyanGod wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:22 pm
In the Saiyan arc, Vegeta with 18k of power level could shake the whole earth just by raising his Ki. And a few arcs later we have SSJ level characters exchanging punches and nothing going on. Does that invalidate what happened before? No. Characters with the power level of old Vegeta already had the ability to shake the earth just by raising the Ki. And just remembering that this shaking the universe thing appeared in the 3 media (manga, anime and movie)
SSB doesn't have to almost destroy the universe to have more feats than SSG, simply because it has been shown to be a much stronger form.
And anyway I'm not just talking about feats or characters with universal abilities, I'm also considering the level of DBS enemies, which turned out to be much stronger than in GT.
That’s precisely why we shouldn’t be saying SSGod is definetely stronger than SS4. Just because one form doesn’t do more ridiculous feats than the other. If GT writers felt like, SS4 would do more overboard stuff than SSGod. Battle of Gods just raised the bar in this aspect. And what enemies are you talking about? I think Zamas and Jiren are stronger than Omega Shenron, but what about the others?
If it's to disregard the universal scale feats, then all the rest I said is just my impression, because there's no way to compare GT and DBS enemies directly, it's need to use other ways to compare their power.
However officially, there is nothing to indicate that GT SSJ4 Goku is = SSB Goku, in fact there is more evidence pointing than SSB> SSJ4. For example, in DBZ Butoden, SSB is said to be the strongest Saiyan form (and SSJ4 Goku was in the game). And on DBX2, Gotenks suggests that SSG is stronger (image below)
Rakurai wrote: ↑
Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:27 pm
TheSaiyanGod wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:55 pm
And if I'm not mistaken, in XV2 there is a line of Gotenks that says SSG was a transformation above SSJ4. Generally, when SSJ4 and SSB are placed at the same level it is in DBH (with more powerful versions of GT Goku)
Source for line?
Because in DLC Pack # 6, we have RoF Goku & Vegeta going SS4 and Vegeta commenting that this is what it feels like to have the power of a 'god.' In addition, if Goku is your mentor/special partner, then you have your Goku partner go SSB and fighting with SS4 Goku, with no clear outcome of who's stronger. And note that this is comparing post-BoG versions of Goku, not the one from GT so the stronger base argument doesn't apply here.
Yes the Time Patrol members are in general stronger than the GT counterparts, however it required a SS Gogeta: Xeno to defeat GT Super Yi Xing Long (Omega Shenron). And since the Time Patrol are on the level of their Super counterparts, this SS Gogeta should be far stronger than a hypothetical SSB Goku: Xeno. Furthermore, SS4 GT Gogeta was able to defeat Dark Gogeta, whom was giving the entire Time Patrol trouble to the point where they needed Gohan: Xeno to go SS4. So even from a powerscale viewpoint, GT characters can still give the Time Patrol and therefore some DBS-level fighters a run for their money.
The image is in portuguese. But translated, Gotenks basically says:
''Have you heard about the Super Saiyan God? They say it's stronger even than a Super Saiyan 4!''
And in DLC, Vegeta turns into SSJ4 even before getting SSB (and probably even before getting SSG at that point), which is why he thinks SSJ4 is the power of a god. Goku, who has already experienced the power of SSG says only that it's a incredible power