p-hyvo wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:44 pm
About rildo :
No, it isn't headcanon. It is a fact.
When you speak about someone without specifying in what moment of his life was that someone, you talk about the stronger/better form in which you've seen that someone.
So, Goku saying rildo was superior to buu intended that rildo was in fact stronger of the strongest version of buu, not certainly stronger than a weaker form of him. It wouldn't have any sense at all, is illogical. Rildo is,the first serious enemy in gt, and in the shonen logic every boss evil character is stronger than the previous. Rildo is the evil boss of his arc, so he what to be superior to Buuhan by logic.
If I say that android 18 is stronger than freezer, you wouldn't ever think that I mean that 18 is stronger that first form freezer but weaker than the second, if I say so you would, rightfully, think that I mean that android 18 is stronger than any form of freezer, not than a specific, weaker one.
Actually, it is because YOU are ASSUMING Goku has the same logic as you. The example does not work because Freeza has a logical in crescendo improvement due to holding back his true power, Freeza is always Freeza, that is not the case with Buu. The next Buu is not necessarily stronger than the previous one. Buuhan wasn't Kid Buu withholding power, and Grey Buu wasn't stronger than the original Fat one nor was Buucollo stronger than Buutenks.
Others could argue that Goku refers to the Buus his interlocutors know about (Fat Buu, Super Buu, Good Buu) and you couldn't prove them wrong.
Others could say Goku didn't refer to the Majin Buu, just Buu, meaning the good one that lives with them and aside of Goku, Vegeta and Uub is the strongest on Earth.
Others could say Goku considers Buu a different entity from the Buu + absorptions (one of the reasons why he decided to not fuse against Kid Buu), what he kinda is, meaning Kid Buu. And you couldn't prove them wrong either. Talking about surpassing Goku doesn't mean surpassing Goku as Vegito.
Others could argue he was talking about the Buu he knew he couldn't take on his own, meaning Super Buu.
But no one could argue it wasn't Buuhan if Goku were to say "he is even stronger than Buu when he absorbed Gohan" because he was the strongest foe from Z.
There are many Buus, the fused Buus, the good Buus, the evil Buus, the pure evil Buus. Goku did not specified which one it was, that is a fact. All of the Buus were very strong, some more than others, and you can't prove he wasn't talking about any of them, specially when Base Rildo got hit by Pan, hit her back and she took off flying, wasn't that big of a deal for Base Goku, and was one-shot by Majuub later. Something tells me that Pan wouldn't go against a +Buuhan on her own being all cocky. But that last line is headcanon.
I'm not claiming to know which one he was talking about, I'm saying you can't definitely know which one it was without making assumptions.
Regarding the saiyans power up between baby saga and s17 :
Literally every ssj outperforms majuub against s17, so it's pretty factual that everyone underwent a big power up.
Specially Goku, when everyone else was stoked by s17 , is shown competing with him using his ssj
Again, this isn't really much to go by, they were all fodder to Super 17, nobody outshined the other. You could maybe make a case for Vegeta but hardly did better than the rest, he kept getting up just to get his ass kicked once more.
And SS Goku was already stronger than the rest, in base he took down both his SS kids before, it makes sense for him to put up a better fight. But even though he threw him flying across the globe, S-17 just laughed it off and put Goku down, forcing Goku to spam ki blasts.
Uub at the start of gt had already mastered kid buu's strenght, an since gt follows the anime , kid buu is the strongest buu not counting enraged Buuhan, hakaishin ruudo is stronger than uub and rildo is stronger than ruudo, so going by that would be nonsensical thinking that rildo is stronger than a form of buu that is weaker than ruudo, even because gt perfect files itself stated that base rildo >ruudo, making rildo stronger than rage Buuhan by default and making that the only viable interpretation of what Goku said
Where was stated that Uub had already mastered Kid Buu's strenght? there wasn't enough to make conclusions based on the first act of episode 1, and I wouldn't take to heart GT PF, they stated Gohan kept training after EoZ while the directors/writers stated otherwise.