hard to say.
Manga Jiren tanked Goku's UI, and Beerus was able to use it for a much shorter time than Goku.
I'd say "Yes, but not too much"- basically, they are in the same range.
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hard to say.
i would agree with the "Yes, but not too much" part, but you cant compare the UI that Jiren tanked with the UI that beerus displayed, as beerus doesnt have UI, but likely an even less inferior version of UI Omen, as he can only dodge and even then he got caught very quick. but it makes up with his already high power level.ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 1:15 pmhard to say.
Manga Jiren tanked Goku's UI, and Beerus was able to use it for a much shorter time than Goku.
I'd say "Yes, but not too much"- basically, they are in the same range.
he treated vegetas much superior powered up state (SSBE like-form) the same as beerus did CSSB while holding back consciderably, but I'm sure beerus could do the same, but thats my head canon.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:12 am This question is about the manga, which I will make time to re-read it soon, but I want opinions:
Is Manga Jiren stronger than Manga Beerus?
does he have any feats to put him above him?
they both stomped Perfect Blue Vegeta IIRC, but I don't remember much from the manga, that's why I need to re-visit it again.
Using UI.
This we don't know for sure, we know Jiren is stronger than Belmond, whom IIRC was the only GoD who didn't require healing after the battle which hints at him being among the stronger GoDs.
Except it doesn't hint or remotely imply anything. It was only stated that Beerus and Quitela are the strongest among the gods.
So headcanon = facts now? At no point was it ever stated or implied that Beerus is stronger than Jiren. The way i see it, Beerus has a slight advantage(slight as his UI is incomplete) due to UI, but in terms of raw power there's nothing that backs nether Beerus>Jiren or Jiren>beerusMiracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:26 amExcept it doesn't hint or remotely imply anything. It was only stated that Beerus and Quitela are the strongest among the gods.
Proven how Beerus dodged every god [including belmond] and was about to wipe out a handful of them [including belmond] with a blast.
Jiren doesn't compare to Beerus. You guys gotta accept the facts.
Nothing headcanon about Jiren stated to be stronger than only ONE God. While Beerus handled all the gods and had enough destructive power to wipe out a handful of them. THEN KO'd a number of them after. Jiren has nothing on screen that can come close to that power level! He is nowhere near Beerus, period.shadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:16 amSo headcanon = facts now? At no point was it ever stated or implied that Beerus is stronger than Jiren. The way i see it, Beerus has a slight advantage(slight as his UI is incomplete) due to UI, but in terms of raw power there's nothing that backs nether Beerus>Jiren or Jiren>beerusMiracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:26 amExcept it doesn't hint or remotely imply anything. It was only stated that Beerus and Quitela are the strongest among the gods.
Proven how Beerus dodged every god [including belmond] and was about to wipe out a handful of them [including belmond] with a blast.
Jiren doesn't compare to Beerus. You guys gotta accept the facts.
About what?
And who's to say Jiren isn't capable of doing the same.
So not being shown doing it means he's incapable of doing it? K.
At what point did i say Jiren > Beerus, i said that there's nothing that supports ether one in being superior to the other.
Dunno what point your trying to make this statement, but it kinda goes against your "Beerus > Jiren" headcanon.
Look at the facts for a minute. Jiren is only stronger than ONE god while Beerus is FACTUALLY the strongest among st them [along with Qutelia] and handled all of the gods at the same time and could of killed a handful of them with one blast.shadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:11 amAbout what?
And who's to say Jiren isn't capable of doing the same.
So not being shown doing it means he's incapable of doing it? K.
At what point did i say Jiren > Beerus, i said that there's nothing that supports ether one in being superior to the other.
Dunno what point your trying to make this statement, but it kinda goes against your "Beerus > Jiren" headcanon.
Where was it said that Jiren can only beat one GoD and not the others? All we know is that both Jiren and Beerus are stronger than Belmond, and SSB, There’s nothing shown suggests that one is stronger than the other.Miracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:47 amLook at the facts for a minute. Jiren is only stronger than ONE god while Beerus is FACTUALLY the strongest among st them [along with Qutelia] and handled all of the gods at the same time and could of killed a handful of them with one blast.shadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:11 amAbout what?
And who's to say Jiren isn't capable of doing the same.
So not being shown doing it means he's incapable of doing it? K.
At what point did i say Jiren > Beerus, i said that there's nothing that supports ether one in being superior to the other.
Dunno what point your trying to make this statement, but it kinda goes against your "Beerus > Jiren" headcanon.
Jiren only can beat one god [stated fact] and has incredibly LESSER feats on par with Beerus vs all the gods.You trying to pretend that there is no showings of Beerus being superior to Jiren is ludicrous.
Feats? Not sure. We don't really know how manga UI stacks up. The manga doesn't really hype up UI like the anime does where it's stated to be a realm of power the GoDs can't reachKoitsukai wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:12 am This question is about the manga, which I will make time to re-read it soon, but I want opinions:
Is Manga Jiren stronger than Manga Beerus?
does he have any feats to put him above him?
they both stomped Perfect Blue Vegeta IIRC, but I don't remember much from the manga, that's why I need to re-visit it again.
Not really belmond isn’t weaker than beerus nor vice versashadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:35 pmWhere was it said that Jiren can only beat one GoD and not the others? All we know is that both Jiren and Beerus are stronger than Belmond, and SSB, There’s nothing shown suggests that one is stronger than the other.Miracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:47 amLook at the facts for a minute. Jiren is only stronger than ONE god while Beerus is FACTUALLY the strongest among st them [along with Qutelia] and handled all of the gods at the same time and could of killed a handful of them with one blast.shadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:11 am About what?
And who's to say Jiren isn't capable of doing the same.
So not being shown doing it means he's incapable of doing it? K.
At what point did i say Jiren > Beerus, i said that there's nothing that supports ether one in being superior to the other.
Dunno what point your trying to make this statement, but it kinda goes against your "Beerus > Jiren" headcanon.
Jiren only can beat one god [stated fact] and has incredibly LESSER feats on par with Beerus vs all the gods.You trying to pretend that there is no showings of Beerus being superior to Jiren is ludicrous.
dodge a couple of gods with a shitty UI omen that is below the real deal goku achieved. and the gods started going all out in the next chapter, and as proven by the chapter itself, all gods are relative in strength, with each of them having their own gimmicks.
Wow, you like to cherry pick info so you can hold on to your bias. The fact that it was stated that Jiren is only stronger than one god, Belmond, while Beerus was not only stated to be the strongest among ALL the gods but also fought ALL the gods AT THE SAME TIME and COULD OF KILLED A COLLECTION OF THEM IN ONE BLAST; shows that Jiren is way inferior to Beerus. Handling the majority at once > stronger than a singular means the former is greater.shadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:35 pmWhere was it said that Jiren can only beat one GoD and not the others? All we know is that both Jiren and Beerus are stronger than Belmond, and SSB, There’s nothing shown suggests that one is stronger than the other.Miracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:47 amLook at the facts for a minute. Jiren is only stronger than ONE god while Beerus is FACTUALLY the strongest among st them [along with Qutelia] and handled all of the gods at the same time and could of killed a handful of them with one blast.shadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:11 am About what?
And who's to say Jiren isn't capable of doing the same.
So not being shown doing it means he's incapable of doing it? K.
At what point did i say Jiren > Beerus, i said that there's nothing that supports ether one in being superior to the other.
Dunno what point your trying to make this statement, but it kinda goes against your "Beerus > Jiren" headcanon.
Jiren only can beat one god [stated fact] and has incredibly LESSER feats on par with Beerus vs all the gods.You trying to pretend that there is no showings of Beerus being superior to Jiren is ludicrous.
Dude, give me the evidence that Jiren is "Only" stronger than Belmond, because there's nothing that suggests that he's weaker or stronger.Miracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:31 pmWow, you like to cherry pick info so you can hold on to your bias. The fact that it was stated that Jiren is only stronger than one god, Belmond, while Beerus was not only stated to be the strongest among ALL the gods but also fought ALL the gods AT THE SAME TIME and COULD OF KILLED A COLLECTION OF THEM IN ONE BLAST; shows that Jiren is way inferior to Beerus. Handling the majority at once > stronger than a singular means the former is greater.shadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:35 pmWhere was it said that Jiren can only beat one GoD and not the others? All we know is that both Jiren and Beerus are stronger than Belmond, and SSB, There’s nothing shown suggests that one is stronger than the other.Miracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:47 am
Look at the facts for a minute. Jiren is only stronger than ONE god while Beerus is FACTUALLY the strongest among st them [along with Qutelia] and handled all of the gods at the same time and could of killed a handful of them with one blast.
Jiren only can beat one god [stated fact] and has incredibly LESSER feats on par with Beerus vs all the gods.You trying to pretend that there is no showings of Beerus being superior to Jiren is ludicrous.
The fact that Jiren was stated to be only stronger than Belmond was the ONLY definition of Jiren's power. You trying to hide behind the ignorance fallacy of the contrary won't work.shadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:51 pmDude, give me the evidence that Jiren is "Only" stronger than Belmond, because there's nothing that suggests that he's weaker or stronger.Miracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:31 pmWow, you like to cherry pick info so you can hold on to your bias. The fact that it was stated that Jiren is only stronger than one god, Belmond, while Beerus was not only stated to be the strongest among ALL the gods but also fought ALL the gods AT THE SAME TIME and COULD OF KILLED A COLLECTION OF THEM IN ONE BLAST; shows that Jiren is way inferior to Beerus. Handling the majority at once > stronger than a singular means the former is greater.
The only one with bias here is you as you claim Beerus is stronger despite you have no idea how strong Jiren is in comparison yet you make statements like these propping your headcanon as gospel..
Tell me this, what makes you think Jiren isn't capable of doing the same as Beerus in fighting mutible GoD and that he's only stronger Belmond? Give me an exact line or panel from the manga that states Jiren can ONLY beat Belmond and that Beerus is stronger than Jiren.Miracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:05 pmThe fact that Jiren was stated to be only stronger than Belmond was the ONLY definition of Jiren's power. You trying to hide behind the ignorance fallacy of the contrary won't work.shadd21 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:51 pmDude, give me the evidence that Jiren is "Only" stronger than Belmond, because there's nothing that suggests that he's weaker or stronger.Miracles wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:31 pm
Wow, you like to cherry pick info so you can hold on to your bias. The fact that it was stated that Jiren is only stronger than one god, Belmond, while Beerus was not only stated to be the strongest among ALL the gods but also fought ALL the gods AT THE SAME TIME and COULD OF KILLED A COLLECTION OF THEM IN ONE BLAST; shows that Jiren is way inferior to Beerus. Handling the majority at once > stronger than a singular means the former is greater.
The only one with bias here is you as you claim Beerus is stronger despite you have no idea how strong Jiren is in comparison yet you make statements like these propping your headcanon as gospel..
While Beerus dances around and dang near kills multiple gods. That's battle powers of gods stacked against Beerus, more so than Belmond. Yet you say there is no proof that Beerus is superior to Jiren? The majority [at the same time] > singular.