Zarely wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:23 pm
Koitsukai wrote: ↑
Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:52 am
I don't think Vegito and Beerus are on the same level though, actually quite far apart from each other, and Broly I think is closer to Jiren than Toppo.
But that's what was said in the manga. Even the writer of the manga wasn't sure who was meant to be stronger out of the two. Those two go together to suggest they were similar.
Gogeta was stronger than Beerus and Goku and Vegeta didn't grow much stronger from when they fought Zamasu to when they fought Broly.
I try not to merge both media because like we already know, they are too different, with Belmod in the anime as the guy that defeated Beerus while in the manga it was Quitela, to give you an example. Anyway, Toyotaro said that Shin's statement wasn't meant to be taken seriously and that Shin was probably wrong. I'll add that Shin had no idea just how powerful Beerus is, unlike Whis who knows exactly the limitations of Beerus.
While I agree that the saiyan's gains should not be astronomical, we've seen the guys during the ToP break their limits multiple times, just enough to fight as SSB (and last longer than before) against a stronger Jiren than 109 (who had already surpassed the FT arc's highest tier), enough to have their Broly movie fusion be much stronger than their FT fusion. Also, from the FT arc to the Broly arc, Goku and Vegeta have much more control over the SSB transformation, Goku can use 20xKK and Vegeta can go beyond.
I'd say Hakaishin Toppo, SS Broly, Zamasu and Vegito Blue are somewhat in the same realm. A step further I have 3rd Omen, Beerus, Jiren and FP Broly, and even further Gogeta Blue, LB Jiren and MUI Goku.
The only thing that can make Beerus FT arc tier is manga Shin's statement that is not reliable according to the author.