Grand Marshal 1 wrote: ↑
Fri May 22, 2020 8:34 am
Mister_Popo wrote: ↑
Fri May 22, 2020 8:28 am
Where do you guys place the new Omen-form in comparison to the sylver-haired form during TOP?
Of course Omen has become seriously more powerful than the original Omen we saw during TOP, but would it be enough to best the sylver-haired form during TOP?
Imo, if I had to take the anime into consideration (because the anime is the main power scale for me) I would say that this pumped up Omen is probably enough to push Jiren at full power.
What I mean is: the first Omen never pushed Jiren at full power. Only the third Omen did. The boost was always the same, but Goku just grew in power. But this pumped up Omen would probably be enough to push Jiren at full power from the first encounter.
Now, it's still Omen. But ofc, utilizing it means that you won't get MUI. So if anime Goku used this, even in his final fight, Jiren would probably prevail. When he even challenged MUI, and Goku won by getting a rage boost.
Omen = 50×Blue for my headcanon
Pumped Up Omen = 100×Blue ≈ FP Jiren
MUI = 130×Blue ≈ SFP/LB Jiren
-rage boost = 150×blue ≈ blue fusion
Just for fun, I would put FPSS3 Broly = 160×Blue
And Moro shouldn't have the strength or speed to go up there, but he probably is something between 50 and 100 times Blue
Headcanon I know and the fusion numbers don't match and stuff, but they don't have to. Trying to scale with numbers doesn't really work. That's what I have learned.
Thx for sharing this, it's definitely an intresting thought.
I agree with you on where i kinda would place the new full-power Omen.
(I'm still not a fan though a rage boost or pump can stress UI Omen or MUI.
Even if it does not work for long, i still think it devaluates the forms to the levels of the classic- and God-forms.
I hope they'll apply it right and consequent after Goku masters UI: no more overly expressive kiais or rage-like power-ups, just a state of balance like the angels are in during battle.)
Moro is already stated to be above the Gods, and he completely manhandled full-power Omen, we don't know exactly how strong he is.
But i'd place him above 100 times Blue in that scenario, more within the realm of MUI TOP or just below that (120 x Blue).
I'd put full-power Jiren between MUI and rage boost MUI.
Jiren became stronger to challenge MUI, so in in order to counter it, Goku apparently needed the rage boost.
I agree full-power Broly feels stronger as these guys.
It seems Broly was really as strong as hell, if you consider how much boost fusion gives (fe Kefla or Vegetto, if we consider dance and rings evenly worthy) and how he even tanked Gogeta Blues Stardust Breaker.
Blue Gogeta needed a Kamehameha, it's strongest attack, to finish Broly.
I'd consider full-power Broly above Jiren and MUI full power, and Gogeta Blue well above all those levels, if we respect common logic.