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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by irreality » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:04 pm

Ushabtis wrote:and none of those guys are Z warriors and if any of those become Z warriors I'll be disappointed.
How does one become a Z warrior? Do you fill out a form? is there an initiation? :D

I thought that was just a term for "really strong dudes in DBZ who are not enemies and are kinda sorta friends". Maybe if Bulma puts you on speed dial for when the world is in trouble you are a Z warrior. Although, by that metric, Beerus and Whis are Z warriors if by "speed dial" I actually mean "make a sundae".

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Doctor. » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:11 pm

Ushabtis wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Beerus, Whis, Champa, FemWhis, Freeza.
and none of those guys are Z warriors and if any of those become Z warriors I'll be disappointed.

nothing wrong wanting piccolo to be a powrful character again. It was sad (but funny) to see what happened to him in the buu saga.
I'm pretty sure Beerus and Whis quality for a spot in the Dragon Team. They'll be taking the lead from now on, and we know from the films that they won't be Goku & co's enemies for too long.

Champa doesn't appear to be a credible final villain, either, so I wouldn't be surprised if he turns "good".

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by MaGyunia » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:03 am

Sorry to cut your discussion in half and go back to the main topic of the thread, but there's something I'd like to share with you and possibly get your opinions on.
I usually avoid discussing or listing power levels, either of my own creation or of others', but this time I'd like to focus exactly and only on that.

I'm going to divide the list of power levels by major arc, movies and specials, and then present either a top 10 or top 20 of all-time fighters. I'm going to include SOME of the movies in the top 10/20 (but not GT), even though they're "what-if" scenarios and cannot be considered to be a direct canon continuation of the series' timeline.

I'm not going to include the figures (either in the Scouter's measuring units or in Kilis, or in any other measuring unit), as from the end of the Freeza arc on we don't possess any official information and can only guess.

Sorry again in anticipation for how long or large the post will look like, but it's preferable to do it this way than to divide it between several different ones, and I really want to include everything you'll be seeing here.

So, here we go:

From strongest to weakest:

Piccolo Daimao arc:
1 - Goku (after drinking Sacred Water)
2 - Piccolo Daimao (young)
3 - Piccolo Daimao (old)
4 - Drum
5 - Goku (before drinking Sacred Water)
6 - Tenshinhan
7 - Yajirobe
8 - Tambourine
9 - Average Piccolo Daimao son
10 - Cymbal
11 - Muten Roshi (old)
12 - Mutaito-sama

Piccolo Jr. arc:
1 - Goku (without weighted clothing)
2 - Piccolo
3 - Kami
4 - Mr. Popo
5 - Tenshinhan
6 - Krillin
7 - Yajirobe
8 - Yamcha
9 - Tao Pai Pai

Saiya-jin arc:
1 - Vegeta (Oozaru)
2 - Goku Kaio-Ken x4
3 - Goku Kaio-Ken x3
4 - Vegeta
5 - Goku Kaio-Ken x2
6 - Goku Kaio-Ken x1
7 - Gohan (Oozaru)
8 - Goku (base against Nappa)
9 - Goku (suppressed Ki against Nappa)
10 - Nappa
11 - Gohan (when performing Masenko against Nappa)
12 - Piccolo (at his strongest against Nappa)
13 - Tenshinhan (when performing Kikoho against Nappa)
14 - Kaiou-sama
15 - Average low-class Saiya-jin
16 - Enma Daiou
17 - Piccolo (when performing second Makankosappo against Raditz)
18 - Yamcha (when performing Kamehameha against Saibaiman)
19 - Krillin (at his strongest against Saibaimen)
20 - Piccolo (when performing first Makankosappo against Raditz)
21 - Gohan (enraged against Raditz)
22 - Piccolo (against Saibaimen)
23 - Raditz
24 - Saibaimen
25 - Krillin (suppressed Ki against Saibaimen)
26 - Gohan (against Nappa)
27 - Goku (when performing Kamehameha against Raditz)
28 - Gohan (semi-enraged inside the capsule)
29 - Chaozu (against Nappa)
30 - Goku (without weighted clothing against Raditz)
31 - Piccolo (without weighted clothing against Raditz)
32 - Goku (with weighted clothing against Raditz)
33 - Goku (with weighted clothing against Raditz)

Freeza arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - Freeza 100%
3 - Freeza 70%
4 - Freeza 50%
5 - Goku Kaio-Ken x20 (against Freeza)
6 - Freeza 33%
7 - Goku Kaio-Ken x10 (against Freeza)
7 - Freeza (in his third form)
8 - Freeza (in his second form)
9 - Vegeta (after last Zenkai)
10 - Piccolo (after fusion with Nail)
11 - Freeza (in his first form)
12 - Vegeta (against Jeice)
13 - Goku (base against Freeza)
14 - Goku Kaio-Ken x3 (against Ginyu)
15 - Goku Kaio-Ken x2 (against Ginyu)
16 - Ginyu
17 - Goku Kaio-Ken x1 (against Ginyu)
18 - Goku (base against Jeice and Burter)
19 - Jeice
20 - Burter
21 - Nail
22 - Piccolo (after training with Kaiou-sama)
23 - Recoome
24 - Vegeta (against Recoome)
25 - Zarbon (transformed)
26 - Vegeta (against Kiwi and Dodoria)
27 - Zarbon
28 - Dodoria
29 - Gohan (against Recoome)
30 - Kiwi
31 - Gohan (after power-unlocking by Saichorou-sama)
32 - Krillin (after power-unlocking by Saichorou-sama)
33 - Goku (suppressed Ki against Jeice and Burter)
34 - Average warrior-type Namek-sei-jin
35 - Krillin (when arriving on Namek)
36 - Gohan (when arriving on Namek)
37 - Average warrior-type Namek-sei-jin (suppressed Ki)
38 - Muuri

Jinzouningen & Cell arcs:
1 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan
2 - Cell (in his Perfect form after receiving Zenkai)
3 - Cell (in his Perfect form at full power against Gohan)
4 - Cell (in his Perfect form)
5 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Gohan
7 - Super Saiya-jin Dai San Dankai Trunks
8 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Vegeta
9 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Trunks
10 - Cell (in his second form)
11 - Piccolo (at the Cell Games)
12 - Cell (in his first form after absorbing millions of humans)
13 - #16
14 - Piccolo (after fusing with Kami)
15 - #17
16 - #18
17 - Cell Juniors
18 - Cell (in his first form)
19 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
20 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (against #19)
21 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (against Trunks)
22 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
23 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
24 - King Cold
25 - Freeza
26 - Piccolo (against Dr. Gero)
27 - Dr. Gero
28 - Gohan (before turning SSJ)
29 - #19
30 - Tenshinhan
31 - Krillin
32 - Yamcha

Majin Buu arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Vegitto
2 - Vegitto (base)
3 - Super Buu (with Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
4 - Super Buu (with Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed)
5 - Kid Buu
6 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
7 - Ultimate Gohan
8 - Majin Buu (after absorbing the strongest of the Kaioshin)
9 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks
10 - Super Buu (with Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
11 - Super Buu
12 - Evil Buu
13 - Majin Buu (in his fat form)
14 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
15 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
16 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan
17 - Super Saiya-jin Gotenks
18 - Dabura
19 - Kaioshin
20 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Goku
21 - Piccolo
22 - Paiku-han
23 - #18
24 - Kibito
25 - Gotenks
26 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
27 - Super Saiya-jin Goten

Movie 1:
1 - Gohan
2 - Garlic Jr. (transformed)
3 - Garlic Jr.
3 - Goku (without weighted clothing)
4 - Piccolo (without weighted clothing)
5 - Goku (with weighted clothing)
6 - Piccolo (with weighted clothing)
7 - Kami
8 - Krillin

Movie 3:
1 - Turles (after eating fruit of the tree)
2 - Goku Kaio-Ken x10
3 - Gohan (Oozaru)
4 - Goku Kaio-Ken x4
5 - Turles
6 - Goku Kaio-Ken x3
7 - Goku Kaio-Ken x2
8 - Piccolo
9 - Goku Kaio-Ken x1
10 - Goku (base)
11 - Gohan
12 - Average member of Turles' Crusher Corps
13 - Tenshinhan
14 - Krillin
15 - Yamcha
16 - Chaozu

Movie 4:
1 - Gigi Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - Slug
3 - Goku Kaio-Ken x4
4 - Goku (base)
5 - Piccolo
6 - Gohan
7 - 4 main Slug's henchmen
8 - Krillin

Movie 5:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - Cooler (in his fifth form)
3 - Cooler (in his fourth form)
4 - Goku Kaio-Ken x20
5 - Goku Kaio-Ken x10
6 - Piccolo
7 - Goku (base)
8 - Sauzaa
9 - Neiz
10 - Doore
11 - Gohan
12 - Krillin

Movie 6:
1 - Metal Cooler(s)
2 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
3 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
4 - Piccolo
5 - Gohan
6 - Krillin

Movie 7:
1 - Super #13
2 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
3 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
4 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
5 - #13
6 - Piccolo
7 - Gohan
8 - #15
9 - #14
10 - Krillin

Movie 8:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Brolly
2 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
3 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
4 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
5 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
6 - Piccolo
7 - Krillin
8 - King Vegeta
9 - Brolly (at birth)
10 - Paragas
11 - Goku (at birth)

Movie 9:
1 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan
2 - Bojack
3 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Gohan
4 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Vegeta
5 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Trunks
6 - Piccolo
7 - 4 Bojack's henchmen
8 - Tenshinhan
9 - Krillin
10 - Yamcha

Movie 10:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Brolly
2 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
3 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
4 - Super Saiya-jin Goten
5 - Krillin
6 - Brolly (base)

Movie 11:
1- Super Saiya-jin Full Power Bio Brolly
2 - #18
3 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
4 - Super Saiya-jin Goten
5 - Krillin
6 - Bio Brolly (base)

Movie 12:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Gogeta
2 - Janenba
3 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
4 - Ultimate Gohan
5 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
7 - Super Saiya-jin Gotenks
8 - Paiku-han
9 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
10 - Super Saiya-jin Goten
11 - Freeza

Movie 13:
1 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
2 - Ultimate Gohan
3 - Hildegarn
4 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks
5 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
7 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
8 - Super Saiya-jin Goten

OVA Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiya-jin:
1 - Hatchiyakku
2 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
3 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
4 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
5 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
6 - Cooler
7 - Freeza
8 - Piccolo
9 - Slug
10 - Turles

Bardock Special:
1 - Freeza
2 - Bardock (Oozaru)
3 - Toma (Oozaru)
4 - Other members of Bardock's team (Oozaru)
5 - Zarbon
6 - Dodoria
7 - Bardock
8 - Vegeta (as a child)
9 - Nappa
10 - Toma
11 - Elite Freeza soldiers
12 - Average Kanassa fighters
13 - Goku (at birth)

Trunks Special:
1 - #17
2 - #18
3 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks (after Gohan's death)
4 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
5 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks (for the first time)

Movie 14:
1 - Whis
2 - Beerus
3 - Super Saiya-jin God Goku
4 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (with power of all other SSJ's)
5 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
6 - Ultimate Gohan
7 - Majin Buu
8 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
9 - Super Saiya-jin Gotenks
10 - Kibitoshin
11 - Piccolo
12 - #18
13 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (against Freeza)
14 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
15 - Super Saiya-jin Goten
16 - Freeza (flashback)
17 - Tenshinhan
18 - Krillin
19 - King Vegeta
20 - Vegeta (as a child)

Movie 15:
1 - Whis
2 - Beerus
3 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Goku
4 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
5 - Golden Freeza
6 - Goku (base with the abilities and power of Super Saiya-jin God)
7 - Vegeta (base with the abilities and power of Super Saiya-jin God)
8 - Freeza (in his fourth form after training)
9 - Freeza (in his first form after training)
10 - Ultimate Gohan
11 - Piccolo
12 - #18
13 - Freeza (in his mechanized form)
14 - Freeza (in his first form)
15 - Tenshinhan
16 - Sorbet
17 - Tagoma
18 - Shisami
19 - Krillin
20 - Muten Roshi

Since DBSuper is going to basically retell the BoG and Fukkatsu no F movies pretty much in the same circumstances although at a different timing, I've chosen not to include it here, as it would basically be an amalgamation of the Movie 14 and Movie 15 ones.

All-time overall Top 20:
1 - Whis
2 - Beerus
3 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Goku
4 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
5 - Golden Freeza
6 - Super Saiya-jin God Goku
7 - Goku (base with the abilities and power of Super Saiya-jin God)
8 - Vegeta (base with the abilities and power of Super Saiya-jin God)
9 - Super Saiya-jin Vegitto
9 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (with power of all other SSJ's)
10 - Vegitto
11 - Super Saiya-jin Gogeta
12 - Super Buu (with Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
13 - Super Buu (with Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed)
14 - Kid Buu
15 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
16 - Ultimate Gohan
17 - Majin Buu (after absorbing the strongest of the Kaioshin)
18 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks
19 - Super Buu (with Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
20 - Super Buu
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Doctor. » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:09 am

Golden Freeza is superior to both SSGSSs when he's at full power, both Goku and Freeza admit that.

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Post by MaGyunia » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:12 am

Doctor. wrote:Golden Freeza is superior to both SSGSSs when he's at full power, both Goku and Freeza admit that.
Yes, but I've deliberately chosen to put him below both SSJGSSJ Goku and SSJGSSJ Vegeta because of the time restraints he experiences when using the form, which eventually cause him to lose to both of them.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:51 am

I was wondering yesterday if Golden Frieza were to fight SSGSS Goku or Vegeta, blood lusted and without any interruptions would he be able to kill them before his power dropped significantly below them and had no chance of winning. I'd say probably not.

And you put a lot of time effort into that list MaGyunia. Maybe Korin should be in the Piccolo Daimao list too, don't know if you forget about him.

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Post by Dbzk1999 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:56 am

Super Saiyajin Full Power Gohan is above Super Saiyajin Full Power Goku
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Super Vegetto » Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:47 pm

MaGyunia wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Golden Freeza is superior to both SSGSSs when he's at full power, both Goku and Freeza admit that.
Yes, but I've deliberately chosen to put him below both SSJGSSJ Goku and SSJGSSJ Vegeta because of the time restraints he experiences when using the form, which eventually cause him to lose to both of them.
Makes no sense for placing him under SSGSSjins,,,why would you even put Grade 3 Trunks above his Grade 2 if eventually he would loose the fight due to lack of speed ?

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Post by Chiki » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:33 pm

MaGyunia wrote:Sorry to cut your discussion in half and go back to the main topic of the thread, but there's something I'd like to share with you and possibly get your opinions on.
I usually avoid discussing or listing power levels, either of my own creation or of others', but this time I'd like to focus exactly and only on that.

I'm going to divide the list of power levels by major arc, movies and specials, and then present either a top 10 or top 20 of all-time fighters. I'm going to include SOME of the movies in the top 10/20 (but not GT), even though they're "what-if" scenarios and cannot be considered to be a direct canon continuation of the series' timeline.

I'm not going to include the figures (either in the Scouter's measuring units or in Kilis, or in any other measuring unit), as from the end of the Freeza arc on we don't possess any official information and can only guess.

Sorry again in anticipation for how long or large the post will look like, but it's preferable to do it this way than to divide it between several different ones, and I really want to include everything you'll be seeing here.

So, here we go:
Freeza arc has a lot of problems. Check out some power levels from the official sources: Base Goku against Frieza is stronger than Vegeta after Zenkai, for example. He has a power level of 3 million which is higher than Frieza's third form as well.

In Cell arc, FPSSJ Gohan is above FPSSJ Goku as stated by Goku himself. Gohan was surprised at Goku not performing as well as he expected, and Gohan accused Goku of not trying his best. But Goku said that he gave it his all and that Gohan was wrong because Gohan himself was stronger than Goku. Also, Vegeta is probably more powerful than Trunks. Trunks being more powerful than Vegeta turned out to be completely false.

You might want to remove base Vegito because he wasn't in the manga. SSJ3 Goku is more powerful than Kid Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan are also above SSJ3 Goku.

Golden Freeza is above SSGSS Goku and Vegeta.

Even if Kid Buu and SSGSS Goku and Vegeta have superior endurance, they are still weaker than SSJ3 Goku and Golden Frieza respectively.
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Post by dbgtFO » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:00 pm

Chiki wrote:
MaGyunia wrote:
From strongest to weakest:
Guys come on, use spoiler tags(example given). That way the pages don't get so unnecessarily long.
Also, Vegeta is probably more powerful than Trunks. Trunks being more powerful than Vegeta turned out to be completely false.
He seems to not have included their Cell Games versions and instead just have them in their buffed up forms, where obviously SS Grade 3 Trunks surpasses Vegeta in power, but not much else.
You might want to remove base Vegito because he wasn't in the manga.
Sure he was :P

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Post by Chiki » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:02 pm

Vegeta could probably go USSJ as well.

And pfffft :P

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by MaGyunia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:31 am

Bullza wrote:I was wondering yesterday if Golden Freeza were to fight SSGSS Goku or Vegeta, blood lusted and without any interruptions would he be able to kill them before his power dropped significantly below them and had no chance of winning. I'd say probably not.

And you put a lot of time effort into that list MaGyunia. Maybe Karin should be in the Piccolo Daimao list too, don't know if you forget about him.
No, I didn't forget about him. I just didn't want to make the list even longer by including every single fighter who happened to show up in each arc. I could have included Karin in Piccolo Daimao's and Piccolo Jr's arcs, the farmer with the shotgun in the Saiya-jin arc, Gohan's power level of 1 when measured by Raditz's Scouter in the Saiya-jin saga, King Vegeta, Toma and Bardock in the Freeza arc, etc., etc., but I tried to be as inclusive as possible while at the same time leaving out a few fighters, otherwise the list would grow even longer than it did, and I didn't want to occupy the entire page. :D

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:37 pm

Why can't Semi Cell > Piccolo post RoSaT just die already? :thumbdown:

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Chiki » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:24 pm

Zombie wrote:Why can't Semi Cell > Piccolo post RoSaT just die already? :thumbdown:
I agree, that makes no sense. Goku himself said Piccolo got a lot stronger after RoSaT and Piccolo asked if he could take on Perfect Cell. He wouldn't have asked Goku that if he was weaker than Semi.

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Post by Doctor. » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:25 pm

Zombie wrote:Why can't Semi Cell > Piccolo post RoSaT just die already? :thumbdown:
Yeah. Goku showed his 50% power at Karin's temple, and everyone was surprised at his incredible power. Later, Goku says that Piccolo has powered-up a lot and when he says that he'd still lose against Cell, Trunks is surprised. It's implied that Piccolo surpassed MSS Goku's 50% power, who himself was above anyone else before their second time in the RoSaT. Not sure where the Semi-Perfect Cell > Piccolo thing comes from.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by supercat » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:55 pm

MaGyunia wrote:Sorry to cut your discussion in half and go back to the main topic of the thread, but there's something I'd like to share with you and possibly get your opinions on.
I usually avoid discussing or listing power levels, either of my own creation or of others', but this time I'd like to focus exactly and only on that.

I'm going to divide the list of power levels by major arc, movies and specials, and then present either a top 10 or top 20 of all-time fighters. I'm going to include SOME of the movies in the top 10/20 (but not GT), even though they're "what-if" scenarios and cannot be considered to be a direct canon continuation of the series' timeline.

I'm not going to include the figures (either in the Scouter's measuring units or in Kilis, or in any other measuring unit), as from the end of the Freeza arc on we don't possess any official information and can only guess.

Sorry again in anticipation for how long or large the post will look like, but it's preferable to do it this way than to divide it between several different ones, and I really want to include everything you'll be seeing here.

So, here we go:

From strongest to weakest:

Piccolo Daimao arc:
1 - Goku (after drinking Sacred Water)
2 - Piccolo Daimao (young)
3 - Piccolo Daimao (old)
4 - Drum
5 - Goku (before drinking Sacred Water)
6 - Tenshinhan
7 - Yajirobe
8 - Tambourine
9 - Average Piccolo Daimao son
10 - Cymbal
11 - Muten Roshi (old)
12 - Mutaito-sama

Piccolo Jr. arc:
1 - Goku (without weighted clothing)
2 - Piccolo
3 - Kami
4 - Mr. Popo
5 - Tenshinhan
6 - Krillin
7 - Yajirobe
8 - Yamcha
9 - Tao Pai Pai

Saiya-jin arc:
1 - Vegeta (Oozaru)
2 - Goku Kaio-Ken x4
3 - Goku Kaio-Ken x3
4 - Vegeta
5 - Goku Kaio-Ken x2
6 - Goku Kaio-Ken x1
7 - Gohan (Oozaru)
8 - Goku (base against Nappa)
9 - Goku (suppressed Ki against Nappa)
10 - Nappa
11 - Gohan (when performing Masenko against Nappa)
12 - Piccolo (at his strongest against Nappa)
13 - Tenshinhan (when performing Kikoho against Nappa)
14 - Kaiou-sama
15 - Average low-class Saiya-jin
16 - Enma Daiou
17 - Piccolo (when performing second Makankosappo against Raditz)
18 - Yamcha (when performing Kamehameha against Saibaiman)
19 - Krillin (at his strongest against Saibaimen)
20 - Piccolo (when performing first Makankosappo against Raditz)
21 - Gohan (enraged against Raditz)
22 - Piccolo (against Saibaimen)
23 - Raditz
24 - Saibaimen
25 - Krillin (suppressed Ki against Saibaimen)
26 - Gohan (against Nappa)
27 - Goku (when performing Kamehameha against Raditz)
28 - Gohan (semi-enraged inside the capsule)
29 - Chaozu (against Nappa)
30 - Goku (without weighted clothing against Raditz)
31 - Piccolo (without weighted clothing against Raditz)
32 - Goku (with weighted clothing against Raditz)
33 - Goku (with weighted clothing against Raditz)

Freeza arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - Freeza 100%
3 - Freeza 70%
4 - Freeza 50%
5 - Goku Kaio-Ken x20 (against Freeza)
6 - Freeza 33%
7 - Goku Kaio-Ken x10 (against Freeza)
7 - Freeza (in his third form)
8 - Freeza (in his second form)
9 - Vegeta (after last Zenkai)
10 - Piccolo (after fusion with Nail)
11 - Freeza (in his first form)
12 - Vegeta (against Jeice)
13 - Goku (base against Freeza)
14 - Goku Kaio-Ken x3 (against Ginyu)
15 - Goku Kaio-Ken x2 (against Ginyu)
16 - Ginyu
17 - Goku Kaio-Ken x1 (against Ginyu)
18 - Goku (base against Jeice and Burter)
19 - Jeice
20 - Burter
21 - Nail
22 - Piccolo (after training with Kaiou-sama)
23 - Recoome
24 - Vegeta (against Recoome)
25 - Zarbon (transformed)
26 - Vegeta (against Kiwi and Dodoria)
27 - Zarbon
28 - Dodoria
29 - Gohan (against Recoome)
30 - Kiwi
31 - Gohan (after power-unlocking by Saichorou-sama)
32 - Krillin (after power-unlocking by Saichorou-sama)
33 - Goku (suppressed Ki against Jeice and Burter)
34 - Average warrior-type Namek-sei-jin
35 - Krillin (when arriving on Namek)
36 - Gohan (when arriving on Namek)
37 - Average warrior-type Namek-sei-jin (suppressed Ki)
38 - Muuri

Jinzouningen & Cell arcs:
1 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan
2 - Cell (in his Perfect form after receiving Zenkai)
3 - Cell (in his Perfect form at full power against Gohan)
4 - Cell (in his Perfect form)
5 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Gohan
7 - Super Saiya-jin Dai San Dankai Trunks
8 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Vegeta
9 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Trunks
10 - Cell (in his second form)
11 - Piccolo (at the Cell Games)
12 - Cell (in his first form after absorbing millions of humans)
13 - #16
14 - Piccolo (after fusing with Kami)
15 - #17
16 - #18
17 - Cell Juniors
18 - Cell (in his first form)
19 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
20 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (against #19)
21 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (against Trunks)
22 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
23 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
24 - King Cold
25 - Freeza
26 - Piccolo (against Dr. Gero)
27 - Dr. Gero
28 - Gohan (before turning SSJ)
29 - #19
30 - Tenshinhan
31 - Krillin
32 - Yamcha

Majin Buu arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Vegitto
2 - Vegitto (base)
3 - Super Buu (with Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
4 - Super Buu (with Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed)
5 - Kid Buu
6 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
7 - Ultimate Gohan
8 - Majin Buu (after absorbing the strongest of the Kaioshin)
9 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks
10 - Super Buu (with Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
11 - Super Buu
12 - Evil Buu
13 - Majin Buu (in his fat form)
14 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
15 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
16 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan
17 - Super Saiya-jin Gotenks
18 - Dabura
19 - Kaioshin
20 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Goku
21 - Piccolo
22 - Paiku-han
23 - #18
24 - Kibito
25 - Gotenks
26 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
27 - Super Saiya-jin Goten

Movie 1:
1 - Gohan
2 - Garlic Jr. (transformed)
3 - Garlic Jr.
3 - Goku (without weighted clothing)
4 - Piccolo (without weighted clothing)
5 - Goku (with weighted clothing)
6 - Piccolo (with weighted clothing)
7 - Kami
8 - Krillin

Movie 3:
1 - Tullece (after eating fruit of the tree)
2 - Goku Kaio-Ken x10
3 - Gohan (Oozaru)
4 - Goku Kaio-Ken x4
5 - Tullece
6 - Goku Kaio-Ken x3
7 - Goku Kaio-Ken x2
8 - Piccolo
9 - Goku Kaio-Ken x1
10 - Goku (base)
11 - Gohan
12 - Average member of Tullece' Crusher Corps
13 - Tenshinhan
14 - Krillin
15 - Yamcha
16 - Chaozu

Movie 4:
1 - Gigi Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - Slug
3 - Goku Kaio-Ken x4
4 - Goku (base)
5 - Piccolo
6 - Gohan
7 - 4 main Slug's henchmen
8 - Krillin

Movie 5:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - Cooler (in his fifth form)
3 - Cooler (in his fourth form)
4 - Goku Kaio-Ken x20
5 - Goku Kaio-Ken x10
6 - Piccolo
7 - Goku (base)
8 - Sauzaa
9 - Neiz
10 - Doore
11 - Gohan
12 - Krillin

Movie 6:
1 - Metal Cooler(s)
2 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
3 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
4 - Piccolo
5 - Gohan
6 - Krillin

Movie 7:
1 - Super #13
2 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
3 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
4 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
5 - #13
6 - Piccolo
7 - Gohan
8 - #15
9 - #14
10 - Krillin

Movie 8:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Brolly
2 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
3 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
4 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
5 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
6 - Piccolo
7 - Krillin
8 - King Vegeta
9 - Brolly (at birth)
10 - Paragas
11 - Goku (at birth)

Movie 9:
1 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan
2 - Bojack
3 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Gohan
4 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Vegeta
5 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Trunks
6 - Piccolo
7 - 4 Bojack's henchmen
8 - Tenshinhan
9 - Krillin
10 - Yamcha

Movie 10:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Brolly
2 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
3 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
4 - Super Saiya-jin Goten
5 - Krillin
6 - Brolly (base)

Movie 11:
1- Super Saiya-jin Full Power Bio Brolly
2 - #18
3 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
4 - Super Saiya-jin Goten
5 - Krillin
6 - Bio Brolly (base)

Movie 12:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Gogeta
2 - Janenba
3 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
4 - Ultimate Gohan
5 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
7 - Super Saiya-jin Gotenks
8 - Paiku-han
9 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
10 - Super Saiya-jin Goten
11 - Freeza

Movie 13:
1 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
2 - Ultimate Gohan
3 - Hildegarn
4 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks
5 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
7 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
8 - Super Saiya-jin Goten

OVA Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiya-jin:
1 - Hatchiyakku
2 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
3 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
4 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
5 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
6 - Cooler
7 - Freeza
8 - Piccolo
9 - Slug
10 - Tullece

Bardock Special:
1 - Freeza
2 - Bardock (Oozaru)
3 - Toma (Oozaru)
4 - Other members of Bardock's team (Oozaru)
5 - Zarbon
6 - Dodoria
7 - Bardock
8 - Vegeta (as a child)
9 - Nappa
10 - Toma
11 - Elite Freeza soldiers
12 - Average Kanassa fighters
13 - Goku (at birth)

Trunks Special:
1 - #17
2 - #18
3 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks (after Gohan's death)
4 - Super Saiya-jin Gohan
5 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks (for the first time)

Movie 14:
1 - Whis
2 - Beerus
3 - Super Saiya-jin God Goku
4 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (with power of all other SSJ's)
5 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
6 - Ultimate Gohan
7 - Majin Buu
8 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
9 - Super Saiya-jin Gotenks
10 - Kibitoshin
11 - Piccolo
12 - #18
13 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (against Freeza)
14 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
15 - Super Saiya-jin Goten
16 - Freeza (flashback)
17 - Tenshinhan
18 - Krillin
19 - King Vegeta
20 - Vegeta (as a child)

Movie 15:
1 - Whis
2 - Beerus
3 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Goku
4 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
5 - Golden Freeza
6 - Goku (base with the abilities and power of Super Saiya-jin God)
7 - Vegeta (base with the abilities and power of Super Saiya-jin God)
8 - Freeza (in his fourth form after training)
9 - Freeza (in his first form after training)
10 - Ultimate Gohan
11 - Piccolo
12 - #18
13 - Freeza (in his mechanized form)
14 - Freeza (in his first form)
15 - Tenshinhan
16 - Sorbet
17 - Tagoma
18 - Shisami
19 - Krillin
20 - Muten Roshi

Since DBSuper is going to basically retell the BoG and Fukkatsu no F movies pretty much in the same circumstances although at a different timing, I've chosen not to include it here, as it would basically be an amalgamation of the Movie 14 and Movie 15 ones.

All-time overall Top 20:
1 - Whis
2 - Beerus
3 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Goku
4 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
5 - Golden Freeza
6 - Super Saiya-jin God Goku
7 - Goku (base with the abilities and power of Super Saiya-jin God)
8 - Vegeta (base with the abilities and power of Super Saiya-jin God)
9 - Super Saiya-jin Vegitto
9 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (with power of all other SSJ's)
10 - Vegitto
11 - Super Saiya-jin Gogeta
12 - Super Buu (with Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
13 - Super Buu (with Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed)
14 - Kid Buu
15 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
16 - Ultimate Gohan
17 - Majin Buu (after absorbing the strongest of the Kaioshin)
18 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks
19 - Super Buu (with Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
20 - Super Buu
I'd say the vast majority of these are fairly accurate. However, I'd like to point out a few things.

-How is Krillin weaker than Tagoma? The latter was stated to be on par with a pair of lackeys who were basically deemed as useless fodders back in the Frieza arc. Also, Shisami was fighting on par with Piccolo, who by the events of FnF should have enough power to trump Perfect Cell (suppressed).

-In my opinion, Final Form Frieza (FnF) should be above SSJ Vegetto in your All-time overall Top 20 list.

-As for Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans, what leads you to believe that Frieza and Cooler are stronger than Piccolo?

-I highly doubt Semi-perfect Cell has anything on Piccolo (Cell Games). The Namekian, was already closing in on Cell Jr. tier during the events of the Cell Games.

-I won't even go into the Buu arc, or the whole which Buu is the strongest debate, as that topic has already been discussed quite extensively.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:54 pm

Ok I'm going to give my full thoughts:

1.- How is Cymbal > Roshi? Cymbal was said to be x amount of times weaker than Tambourine.
2.- How is Tao Pai Pai weaker than Kuririn, Yamcha and Yajoribe? Not only the first 2 were scared of him but he has an official BP that puts him above all 3 of them.
3.- Piccolo > Gohan's Masenko.
4.- North Kaio = Piccolo after training for one year.
5.- Raditz > Gohan enraged and Piccolo Makankosappo. He never said Gohan surpassed him and we do have his official BP to prove all of this.
6.- How is Vegeta stronger than Goku after their final Zenkais? :?
7.- Piccolo under Nail? Why?
8.- MSSJ Goku > MSSJ Gohan? :?
9.- Trunks and Vegeta are equals in the Cell games.
10.- Again Semi cell > Piccolo is just :sick:
11.- Cell Juniors under 18 and 17? :wtf:
12.- Piccolo is stronger than Freeza in the android arc. This has been debated to dead already.
13.- 19 under Base Gohan? :wtf:
14.- Kuririn > Tenshinhan after the Namek saga.
15.- Sees the Buu list. No just no.
16.- How are SSJ Goten and Trunks weaker than freaking SSJ Freeza arc Goku...??
17.- Sorbet > Togama and Shisami? How is that possible??

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Doctor. » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:02 pm

Zombie wrote:2.- How is Tao Pai Pai weaker than Kuririn, Yamcha and Yajoribe? Not only the first 2 were scared of him but he has an official BP that puts him above all 3 of them.
Because they could all follow Tenshinhan's speed, while Tao could not.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by ZombieVito » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:55 pm

Doctor. wrote:
Zombie wrote:2.- How is Tao Pai Pai weaker than Kuririn, Yamcha and Yajoribe? Not only the first 2 were scared of him but he has an official BP that puts him above all 3 of them.
Because they could all follow Tenshinhan's speed, while Tao could not.
Speed =/= Strength.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Doctor. » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:04 pm

Zombie wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
Zombie wrote:2.- How is Tao Pai Pai weaker than Kuririn, Yamcha and Yajoribe? Not only the first 2 were scared of him but he has an official BP that puts him above all 3 of them.
Because they could all follow Tenshinhan's speed, while Tao could not.
Speed =/= Strength.
Not in Dragon Ball. Unless you're using a form that decreases your speed, like the Grade SS forms, or equipment like weights, then being faster than someone else equals having a higher battle power as well.

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