Except we know in Dragon Ball that being caught off-guard makes you a pillow. Remember, Goku went down to a common laser in Blue no less in the movie. Does that make Sobet stronger than Frieza.LightBing wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 11:46 amGranolah attacked Vegeta with his pressure point as well and the latter withstood it, even kinda catching it. This before he went Ultra Ego.
But even ignoring that, narratively speaking the story tells us Vegeta did better.
For Goku he had to pull his full-power. For Vegeta he had to evolve during battle and unlock a second red eye.
Plus one fight clearly ended in one chapter and the other is still open.
Fortunately techniques seems to be the bread and butter of this arc. Power is becoming secondary, Granolah's sniper skills might give him an edge even if he's weaker, same for Ultra Ego and Ultra Instinct.
Doing better doesn’t necessarily means stronger. Like Goku did better than Vegeta against Hit in his base form in both the anime and the manga.
Goku fought for several chapters, not just one. Also, how do you know that Goku was using UI at full power when he didn’t struggle against the clone? And, are we really using chapter length when Goku fought for several before UI?
Overall, you can’t used a sneak attack feat to say someone is stronger, otherwise we can say Sobet is stronger than Goku.
UE’s weakness is pretty clear in the chapter. Vegeta lost primarily because he took too much damage because he chose to take every attack to get stronger. So while his power went up, his endurance didn’t follow.LightBing wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:48 pm I took it as UI circumventing Granolah sniper ability, which I predict won't work with the 2 eyes.
Goku can't be untouchable at this point. UI isn't perfect even at full throttle. Jiren held it off.
Plus it's clear Toyotarõ is nerfing it. He said so himself in the recent interview, he made it too perfect. That's why all this extra stuff has been introduced like different levels of UI, Goku using it in other forms, getting less effective as time goes by.
If Goku has a weakness with UI so does Vegeta with UE. The story presents Vegeta being more successful.
Let's not forget Toyotarõ didn't want to answer the question "who's stronger between the Saiyans" because of spoilers. Goku had UI at the time and Vegeta nothing.
As for Toyo’s interview, it was giving after UE was shown so Vegeta had something.