Goku9001 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 6:25 pm
I think the evidence speaks for itself with Goku has access to Blue Kaioken x10 which makes him stronger than Goku Black
No it doesn't, Gowasu stated that Goku Black was the most powerful fighter and he saw Goku use SSB Kaioken x10 against Hit on Godtube. The Toei producer also stated that Goku Black is the most powerful character bar Beerus and fusions, which confirms that Goku Black is stronger than SSB Kaiokenx10 and Hit.
Find me any clear, concise, and conclusive statement like the two above that clearly states Goku got much stronger. Until then it remains conjecture. If a Shonen wants to imply the MC got stronger, they'd have someone clearly and simply state it. Not use vague generic hype lines like "Oh, Goku and Kefla are using more power, they are becoming stronger, their aura is rising!" which can just mean that Goku is using a larger % of his power.
given that Jiren was presented as a new benchmark for Goku's highest level of power to overcome. It doesn't need to explicitly be stated when the narrative already prepares for Goku to battle even stronger opponents.
And the narrative also gave Goku a new form with which to battle Jiren, while his SSB Kaioken form was fodder to him.
The narrative also had Goku fuse with Vegeta to fight Zamasu instead of trying to get stronger in SSB like he did in the manga. I'd say the implications are obvious. While SSB wasn't perfected yet in the manga, which is why Toyotaro had Goku figure it out during his solo fight with Fused Zamasu; SSB was already perfected in the anime, which is why Toei had Goku fuse with Vegeta to fight Fused Zamasu, with even Gowasu noting that Zamasu is beyond anything Goku and Vegeta ever used before (including SSB Kaiokenx10).
On the contrary, we are constantly told that Goku was shattering his limits as a Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan Blue
When was this said btw?
The only thing I remember is Vegeta giving his speech about Saiyans breaking their limits and he was obviously referring to Goku mastering Ultra Instinct. Since, as he was giving the speech, Goku was fighting Jiren in Incomplete UI.
His Super Saiyan Blue also developed enough to warrant the release of Jiren's "overwhelming" power that vastly outstrips anything Toppo would be capable of. In fact, that same power warranted respect from Belmod and concern from Marcarita. There's enough evidence to show that Goku's limits had not only increased, but that he was shattering those limits.
Why does Goku need to have gotten stronger since the U6 and FT arc for those things to make sense?
Already in the U6 everyone was amazed by SSB Kaioken, Beerus was even irritated/frustrated/concerned, Gowasu and Zamasu spectated the fight on Godtube and were in awe of his energy. There's no reason why we need his SSB to have gotten stronger for it to evoke those reactions from Jiren and the ToP crowd.
Hit, who rivalled Goku in his SSB Kaioken form, was also able to hold his ground against Jiren for some time and even incapacitate him with time hax, so Jiren's reaction would be justified even if SSB Kaioken didn't get stronger since the U6 arc.
The example you provided doesn't hold any merit since Ultra Instinct Omen pushes his body's limits far beyond what Blue let alone what Blue Kaioken x20 would demand from his body. Despite that, his body didn't give out after unleashing a Full Powered KHH on Kefla.
But it gave out after he fought Jiren and it got all messed up, and now Anime-wise he cannot even use UI at will anymore.
If his body got stronger, why can't he turn on Ui at will and why did his body give out when he completed Ultra Instinct?