Koitsukai wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:05 pm
ankokudaishogun wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:58 pm
We don't have sufficient comparisons between Belmod and Beerus in the anime. Hell the ONE comparison we have is Beerus being WEAKER than Belmod at arm wrestling, not really a good comparison for martial might.
I think that quote alone is enough to consider them somewhat on the same ground and not have one many times stronger than the other.
Physical strength isn't everything in a fight. Hell, at this point it's likely the minor part of the thing
Having trickier techniques can easily give one an advantage against somebody who is only physically stronger, as you say.
That said: if Beerus was SENSIBLY stronger than Belmod, it would have been noted by some character.
In the manga the one who defeated him at arm wrestling was Quitela, and they were more or less matched in the Hakaishin Brawl(with Belmod faking).
Likewise, Beerus and Champa cannot be on sensibly different levels or their rivalry makes no sense.
In general, everything in context points to Hakaishins being more or less equals as fighting capability goes.
Which means Anime SFPJiren is massively stronger than any Hakaishin, Beerus included no doubt whatsoever.
Which makes him stronger than Broly who is only maybe stronger than Beerus.
(then again: the movie was made well before the anime reached SFP Jiren. I wouldn't take any "maybe" from it as true.)
Most likely, Toriyama will have a reveal that Beerus began training again and mastered Ultra Instinct by the time of his showdown with Goku.
Although I think it would be detrimental to the story. Having non-fighting Beerus as the strongest and as a friend of the cast removes all the tension, it happened in RoF, and the FT arc had Beerus dead for a reason. The whole DBS is sort of tensionless due to the chilled, untouchable cat.
Future trunks saga had Beerus doing nothing for the REAL problem, the Black in the Future
The whole point of that and Future Zeno annihilating the Future was to show the MCs they can't rely on Gods helping them