Miracles wrote: ↑
Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:27 pm
Goku stated 17 was as strong as him. TOEI said Toriyama gave 17 such ability to fight Blue.
This is a unanimous decision of the producers of the product. Besides, 17 didn't even fight SSJ3, the fight was stopped.
Yes, I didn't recall that statement (I don't know the DBS manga as well as the original one unfortunately) so there's nothing to be discussed here:
#17 is in the ballpark of the SSJ Blue, which unfortunately makes this Moro saga the worst written saga of the whole DBS manga and more resembling the pre-saiyan saga Dragon Ball than the level of writting we saw after it.
Jmass97 wrote:It’s the truth just accept it lol we were talking about the manga anyway so I don’t know what you mean exactly.
Yup, I didn't read the whole discussion so I missed the part where you said it was stated in the manga (which is effectively the case and I completely forget).
I was never a fan of #17 increasing his strength, but once he did past the SSJ3 he could also reach the God forms if the uthor desired to do so.
The problem is that fight with Saganbo now, because or:
A - Gohan, Piccolo & A18 are also in the SSJBlue levels of power, wich I would find ridiculous and impossible for Gohan & Piccolo (for 18, once it's been done for 17, it's exactly the same although I think they shouldn't be able to increase their strength) and would break what we knew about them.
B - Toyotarou hasn't thought that scenario very well (my bet).
C - We'll be given some extra explanations that we actually like (I doubt that very much).