GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
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GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
Don't get me wrong, i really enjoy Super so far, and love slice of life episodes, but, i admit i wsn't big fan of GT, and how it handed characters, and would love to see Toriyama vision of post DBZ in Super. But, I'm little afraid, that Toei don't want to let Toriama go past "10 Years After" to not get GT retconned. Even if GT can still work as alternative universe or what-if
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
BoG and RoF are being retold to fill in blanks from that 10 year period, and we don't know when Universe 6 arc takes place, so it's maybe too early to assume, but I could see them tiptoing around GT as long as they can. If they get to a point where they have to cross that line they could.
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I would personally love to see GT get retconned, but I'm really not sure, as you said, that Toei's going to do it. That would make GT totally irrelevant and, ultimately, hurt their sales.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
The thing is, there's already so many things introduced that conflict with GT. Besides, they don't need to replace GT; they just need to create a saga during the EoZ era that takes place years before that series.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
Yeah, they never have to "actually" retcon GT. They'll probably never refer to it, but by having Super begin so close to the end of Z, they can have as many episodes they want within that 10 year period without ever having to deal with GT.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
Much Probably not.
Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
It kinda is.
Over 12 years ago Nakatsuru Katsuyoshi planted the idea, that they were too old in the final chapter and that Goku's adventures after Z were already covered in GT and Toriyama agreed with that or at the very least the part about them needing to tell a story from before end of Z.
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Over 12 years ago Nakatsuru Katsuyoshi planted the idea, that they were too old in the final chapter and that Goku's adventures after Z were already covered in GT and Toriyama agreed with that or at the very least the part about them needing to tell a story from before end of Z.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... nakatsuru/
With the Dragon Ball Kanzenban, the series will be garnering new fans. And being fans, I think they will probably want to see some new Dragon Ball Z. How about it, Sensei — why not make a new animated work once a year or so?
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Ah, I’d like to see that.
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But in the final chapter, Goku’s getting pretty old. And what happens to him after is already covered in the anime-original Dragon Ball GT. Still, Goku is the main character, after all. If you’re going to make a new story without any difficulty, you’ll have to rewind time a bit, and tell a story from somewhere in the past, or something…
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I agree. Rather than continuing on strangely into the future, or digging deeper, I’d rather develop it with something like a separate episode, going back in time to say, “there was such-and-such a story, involving such-and-such an opponent”. As in, it wasn’t in the coimc, but this kind of thing also happened. I think that’d probably be better.
Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
I think it's because Toriyama doesn't want to use the cast at an old age like he said during the BOG promotion.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
I don't think it matters if GT happens 5 years after EOZ since the new material pretty much makes GT hard to fit in the same timeline at this point. If Toei cared about what happens in BOG and ROF then they would told Toriyama not use any of his new ideas. GT at this point seems no different how DBZ Movies 1-13 where which can be view as AU stories.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
I guess mid 40's is the cut off then, that's where we leave Gokû at EoZ, I think. I seem to want to say he's 52 in GT, but I don't how if that's right.
Well, mid 30's is still impressive for a shounen series' protagonist. Not so unusual in American comics (your DCs and Marvels), but for Jump, it's both impressive and pretty cool to me. I think he's mid 30's in Super.
Well, mid 30's is still impressive for a shounen series' protagonist. Not so unusual in American comics (your DCs and Marvels), but for Jump, it's both impressive and pretty cool to me. I think he's mid 30's in Super.
Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
The way I see it, they're just going to continue Super for whatever amount of time, disregarding GT or EoZ. Whether this turns out to retcon GT in the long run will be no concern of Toei's, as it would always exist commercially regardless.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
They didn't need to replace the new movies either.Besides, they don't need to replace GT
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They are not replacing them, they are expanding them.Bullza wrote:They didn't need to replace the new movies either.Besides, they don't need to replace GT
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
They're retelling them though. They might make some tweaks and expand the stories, but for the most part, they'll have the same plot.Bullza wrote:They didn't need to replace the new movies either.Besides, they don't need to replace GT
OP is talking about outright replacing GT and every little detail, characterization, and relationship it established so that its events never happened at all.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
Do you think once they get far enough they may readapt GT? Like take plot elements of it but make it work with the new "canon"?
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
GT is already a What-If stroy at this stage with how many contribution from Toriyama work against it. I'd personally love to see Super reach the stage that GT did. But GT is still a quite a good merch pusher, so I could see Toei dodging the concept of replacing GT for quite a while longer.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
Even if GT is ignore in the newer material, merchandise for it will still be made. You can ignore the events of GT and still make merchandise for it. What happens in the continuity has no affect on what Bandai does with the merchandise.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
If I'm wrong then please correct me, but GT is 5 years after the 28th Tenkaichi Budoukai. They have those years to fill in without having to replace GT. They don't seem to be worrying about the current stuff not fitting in with it, clearly, so they wouldn't have to worry it in that time either. They just don't do it because they don't want to, GT isn't really a major factor.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
Maybe since they might not want to conflict brands but there still seems to be some time after the manga ends and GT starts. I think they just have a fondness for the Boo era cast.
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Re: GT the reason Super not go 10 Years after?
The Buu saga era is easier to market since the cast are still at their prime and you still have a lot of forms to make toys out of. I think that's why Toriyama likes a setting after Buu and before the 28th Tenkachi Budokai since it's easier to write the cast when they are much younger.
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