Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

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Fact Checker (update: Ep.51)

Post by Herms » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:14 pm

Your one-stop shop for any “fansubs say X! Is that really what’s said?”-type questions relating to DB Super. I have a feeling this will end up mostly centering around strength stuff, but I want to keep things open enough to include any quotes that have been seriously mistranslated or I just find personally interesting. If there are any lines you’re curious about, ask away.

For the first five or so episodes I mostly just used Agon-dray Eam-tay's translations (with a few modifications), but these days I typically watch the initial broadcast and then use the Japanese subtitles from Itsunekko-kay to double-check anything. To note when in the episode a line is said, I’m just noting minutes rather than specific seconds (I’m lazy!), and including the opening theme.

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.20)

Post by Herms » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:14 pm

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.29)

Post by Herms » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:14 pm

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Re: Fact Checker (update: Ep.46)

Post by Herms » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:14 pm

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Re: Fact Checker

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:24 pm

Nice job, Herms. Now it's time for the other sites to copy/paste this stuff without citing it.
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Re: Fact Checker

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:41 pm

This thread will be interesting.
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Re: Fact Checker

Post by Chuquita » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:53 pm

Super-helpful thread; thank you for making it!
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Re: Fact Checker

Post by irreality » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:54 pm

This is great, thanks! Even as just a resource of noteworthy/reference lines, even if they were perfectly translated. This will be useful. :D

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Re: Fact Checker

Post by Black_Liger » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:26 am

AMAZINGLY HELPFUL, I finally understood why Goku backed the HECK out on episode 5.
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Re: Fact Checker

Post by jrdemr » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:32 am

Herms wrote:Minute: 2
Narrator: “And then, six months later…everybody’s memories of Boo were erased by the power of the Dragon Balls. Some time has passed since then.”
Significance: Establishes the timeframe for the series. Some promotional material in Jump has described the series as “half a year” (ie six months) after the battle with Boo, but according to the narration here there’s at least a little bit more time than that.
The whole time frame question was kinda bugging me for a while. But now at least it's the correct six months after the defeat of Buu that everyone's memories were erased and "some time has passed since then" is vague enough that the JSAT special can still fit in two years after Buu and both BoG and Super can still have begun 4 years after Buu, therefore making it all nice and consistent.

Great work as usual, Herms, keep it going!

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Re: Fact Checker

Post by TheDBZmaster100 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:51 am

Nice, appreciate it.

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Re: Fact Checker

Post by shinmaru » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:00 am

This clears up a lot of things, keep up the good job Herms.

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Re: Fact Checker

Post by Gozar » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:12 am

Goku: “What? Why’d I retreat?”
Beerus: “You really are something. Actually, I was thinking of attacking just now. If you hadn’t moved away, you’d have lost…No doubt about it. You can’t sense the ki of deities. Even so, you dodged. Could you be a fighting prodigy? You might actually still be hiding some power…Like, say…the power of Super Saiyan God?”
What I find most interesting about this line is how it can potentially tie in with Resurrection F. During the film, Whis states that Goku and Vegeta need to learn to act without thinking to become better fighters and admits that such a task is very difficult to achieve. This scene seems to imply that Goku might already have the hidden talent to do that.
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Re: Fact Checker

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:21 am

Gozar wrote:
Goku: “What? Why’d I retreat?”
Beerus: “You really are something. Actually, I was thinking of attacking just now. If you hadn’t moved away, you’d have lost…No doubt about it. You can’t sense the ki of deities. Even so, you dodged. Could you be a fighting prodigy? You might actually still be hiding some power…Like, say…the power of Super Saiyan God?”
What I find most interesting about this line is how it can potentially tie in with Resurrection F. During the film, Whis states that Goku and Vegeta need to learn to act without thinking to become better fighters and admits that such a task is very difficult to achieve. This scene seems to imply that Goku might already have the hidden talent to do that.
That's what I thought when I saw the scene as well.
Herms wrote:Minute: 8
Context: after Goku requests a match with Beerus to see his power
Beerus: “I’ve lived for hundreds of millions of years, but I’ve never heard anyone utter such a unique line.”
Significance: Establishes Beerus’ age as hundreds of millions of years. Ever since Toriyama revealed he was the one who sealed Elder Kaioshin away, we’ve known he presumably must be at least 75 million years old (since that’s the duration of Elder Kaioshin’s imprisonment). Apparently the DB wikia has said Beerus was exactly 75 million years old, but that was never specified in any official source, and is now contradicted by this line.
Get ready for a new addition in their plot-holes page: "Beerus was said to be 75 millions years old, but in Super, he is said to be hundreds of years old. This is a contradiction to what was previously said."
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Re: Fact Checker

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:40 am

A thread like this is just what was needed. Nice works, Herms. :thumbup:

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Re: Fact Checker

Post by Ajay » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:30 pm

It's a shame this has to exist, really. If everyone ignored awful speed subs and only used Dragon Team's translations that you're referencing, this would be a tiny list. Thanks for the hard work. It's always fun to read what nonsense people will come up with.
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Re: Fact Checker

Post by Araki » Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:17 pm

So we can mention Dragon Team by name? Guess i can stop calling it "the accurate fansub". :lol:

Very useful thread, btw.

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Re: Fact Checker

Post by ZombieVito » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:31 pm

jrdemr wrote:
Herms wrote:Minute: 2
Narrator: “And then, six months later…everybody’s memories of Boo were erased by the power of the Dragon Balls. Some time has passed since then.”
Significance: Establishes the timeframe for the series. Some promotional material in Jump has described the series as “half a year” (ie six months) after the battle with Boo, but according to the narration here there’s at least a little bit more time than that.
The whole time frame question was kinda bugging me for a while. But now at least it's the correct six months after the defeat of Buu that everyone's memories were erased and "some time has passed since then" is vague enough that the JSAT special can still fit in two years after Buu and both BoG and Super can still have begun 4 years after Buu, therefore making it all nice and consistent.

Great work as usual, Herms, keep it going!
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Re: Fact Checker

Post by FortuneSSJ » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:36 pm

So it does take place after more than 6 months, interesting... It makes Videl character change less absurd.
And the part where Goku ssj3 backs off by instict is perfect.

Thanks for the hardwork Herms-senpai. :thumbup:
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Re: Fact Checker

Post by Sora Saiyan » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:48 pm

Thanks a lot for doing this Herms. :) That part about Goku backing off against Beerus interested me when I watched it, so now it's good to know what the reason was behind it. :)
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