Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[Araki]

You're clearly reaching. Most One Piece characters are fully grown adults & look their age. The only childish looking adult character is Luffy & even he is muscular & was only drawn lankier in early parts of the series. Dragon ball characters clearly have a more childish look to them in general.

The only things similar about those pictures are the poses and that's not an uncommon thing in anime. That picture of Gohan doesn't look like OP at all.

Fully agree with both your points. I think he's really trying waaay too hard to see One Piece there, instead of it actually being a thing.

As for Gohan's pose, that's more Tate than One Piece.

[Ajay]

You're both acting like this is an exclusive complaint on my part. It's not. These comparisons extend across Twitter, reddit, and other Dragon Ball forums. It's plainly clear. I'm entirely baffled that you think otherwise.

[Cursemark505]

You're both acting like this is an exclusive complaint on my part. It's not. These comparisons extend across Twitter, reddit, and other Dragon Ball forums. It's plainly clear. I'm entirely baffled that you think otherwise.

Sure, the young looking complaint isn't exclusive to you, but the basis of your argument isn't valid.
The only comparison from OP you can use to say that Gohan looked young and One Piece-ish is some random picture of Luffy, the only character designed to be that way. Gohan was drawn young & skinny looking in character art for RoF.
You can't say they're being influenced by OP since most of the male characters are more often than not buff and vary in all sorts of shapes & sizes.

[ParkerAL]

I agree with Ajay. There's a ton of One Piece influence in these shots. The long skinny limbs are a dead giveaway.

[Cursemark505]

I agree with Ajay. There's a ton of One Piece influence in these shots. The long skinny limbs are a dead giveaway.

There is no character in OP with long & skinny limbs. That's what you're not getting.

[Ajay]

I agree with Ajay. There's a ton of One Piece influence in these shots. The long skinny limbs are a dead giveaway.

Precisely. I don't understand why Cursemark is intent on taking my comparison image at face value. It doesn't have to be Luffy; it's not about the specific character. It's about the characteristics of one show vs another. You can't spit out claims like "the other characters look their age" as though that has any relevance to what's being spoke about. The comparisons are blindingly obvious. They've been detailed visually and verbally numerous times. If someone can't see or understand the comparisons, that's not really my issue.

There is no character in OP with long & skinny limbs. That's what you're not getting.

Sanji, Zoro, Luffy, and most of the female characters have these traits. At the risk of sounding rude, I cannot tell you if you're simply not familiar with One Piece or you're just looking to wind people up now by making wildly false claims.

I'll leave it there. It all speaks for itself. Not particularly interested in arguing my corner over this.

[Araki]

Sanji, Zoro, Luffy, and most of the female characters have these traits. At the risk of sounding rude, I cannot tell you if you're simply not familiar with One Piece or you're just looking to wind people up now by making wildly false claims.

See, that's the thing. I don't know if you're familiar with OP outside of its first few years, because those are all very old designs. Not only Oda's art style changed over the years, but also the anime character designer isn't that one since what, 2007? The characters with average bodies don't have those long limbs since a long time ago. Compare that Luffy to this one, for instance.

Another thing to consider: Kuririn in this episode looked really skinny, but i think that's clearly emulating Toriyama's current style. We can't really discard the influence of his current designs just because you want to see One Piece in it.

[KentalSSJ6]

I really want more Seizo Toma.

[Ajay]

See, that's the thing. I don't know if you're familiar with OP outside of its first few years, because those are all very old designs. Not only Oda's art style changed over the years, but also the anime character designer isn't that one since what, 2007? The characters with average bodies don't have those long limbs since a long time ago. Compare that Luffy to this one, for instance.

Another thing to consider: Kuririn in this episode looked really skinny, but i think that's clearly emulating Toriyama's current style. We can't really discard the influence of his current designs just because you want to see One Piece in it.

I'm well aware they're old designs, but the characters still retain their defining features. They really aren't very different; the primary changes were down to face shape over anything else. Oda didn't suddenly decide to trash his trademark style. If someone asks you about One Piece's art style, what are the chances that they're going to mention skinny characters and exaggerated proportions? The sheer number of characters who possess those traits are overwhelming.

Look, I'm not trying to see One Piece. I do see it. It's there. It's clear as day in some scenes. I don't put on Super and go "Oh, let me look for One Piece this week!". It sticks out like a sore thumb when everything surrounding it looks like it belongs. I can't ignore that. It. exists. I can't unsee what I see. If you really don't see it, then that's fine. At least I'm not alone in feeling this way. I can't sit here and argue with you in circles trying to make you see what I see. But I'm not going to sit here and have you tell me I'm wrong.

I know what Dragon Ball's action scenes look like, I know what Yamamuro's take on Toriyama's work looks like, too. When I see something ignoring both, it stands out and I'm going to mention it. Why on earth do you take such issue with that? If that's not One Piece, then what is it? Because it sure as hell is not Dragon Ball.

And to be fundamentally clear: I'm only talking about two scenes with Gohan and some of the backgrounds resembling One Piece. Let's not blow that out of proportion.

[Cursemark505]

they're old designs, but the characters still retain their defining features.

No, they don't retain those features. All you're doing is posting old anime character designs & specifically selecting badly drawn shots from animators with their own styles to fit your own narrative.

Oda didn't suddenly decide to trash his trademark style.

That's not "his" style. The characters are not drawn that way in the manga.

One Piece's art style, what are the chances that they're going to mention skinny characters

None. I've never seen someone mention "skinny characters" as a defining trait since most are not.

At least I'm not alone in feeling this way. I can't sit here and argue with you in circles trying to make you see what I see. But I'm not going to sit here and have you tell me I'm wrong.

You're one of less than 10 people who see it. You "are" wrong. It's not a matter of opinion.

then what is it?

Badly drawn shots. Nothing more.

[FortuneSSJ]

Yamamuro was behind the character designs for Battle of Gods, and continues to hold that role for both Revival of 'F' and Super. Under Yamamuro's direction, he continues to look his age:

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The issue is that many of the animators working on Super either can't or don't want to draw him looking "Z-appropriate". There's also Toriyama's original character design which paints him in a younger light.

It's hard to know where exactly to place the blame. The One Piece influence certainly doesn't help matters. Their designs creeping into Dragon Ball only serve to age down the characters.

It feels a little bit like the series is losing its identity with these discrepancies. As much as I hark on about Yamamuro's unimaginative work and would love for animators to be able throw their own touch on things, it seems the negatives that come with this are severely outweighing the positives in Super's case. For every one Iseki-esque episode, there are a hundred poor Yamamuro imitations.

Thanks for clarify, Ajay. I just find stupid how suddenly some characters look anorexic, like Gohan and Satan. Unlike Gohan, Satan didn't even look right in BOG. The Champion stopped eating a long a time ago:

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It becomes more confused when in OVA 2008 Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!! everyone looked right. And Toriko has lot of buffed characters.
Characters bodies should look like always had. Even if they follow Toriyama ugly new style. If Toriyama forgets C18 hair color and paints it purble, Toei has to fix that.

[Theophrastus]

they're old designs, but the characters still retain their defining features.

No, they don't retain those features. All you're doing is posting old anime character designs & specifically selecting badly drawn shots from animators with their own styles to fit your own narrative.

Oda didn't suddenly decide to trash his trademark style.

That's not "his" style. The characters are not drawn that way in the manga.

One Piece's art style, what are the chances that they're going to mention skinny characters

None. I've never seen someone mention "skinny characters" as a defining trait since most are not..

Just to provide some context to this, here are some recent-ish color pages from the One Piece manga for comparison:

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[DragonHermit]

I mentioned it before. That Gohan power-up shot had One Piece written (or drawn) all over it, especially Gohan's expression at the end. He looked like a Luffy rip-off.

Both shows have different styles and they shouldn't mix them up.

[JulieYBM]

I don't really see it in the backgrounds. When I think of One Piece I recall more pastel-esque colors. I think it just depends on the art director for the episode. Episode #16 had super detailed backgrounds, different from the other episodes, too.

[BluePiccolo]

Another One Piece animation reference? Not so skinny but the pose is there...

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[Noah]

I had enough of this, can't they just focus? I know DBS don't have a weekly manga to lean on, but it's not like they should animate the same way as One Piece.

[Big Momma]

I'm with Ajay on this one. I definitely see that One Piece influence. Especially in the Gohan shots.

Another One Piece animation reference? Not so skinny but the pose is there...

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This one, as well. The head and the fists definitely look like they'd belong to Luffy.

[Araki]

Lol, so One Piece invented perspective AND the "powering up" pose now. Okay.
This is Vegeta pulling a Luffy pose before OP was a thing:

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Before someone talk about the angle, OP didn't come up with that either. But people will see what they want to see, so this is pointless.

[JulieYBM]

Pretty sure that Vegeta cut is just Tate being Tate, again.

[BluePiccolo]

Lol, so One Piece invented perspective AND the "powering up" pose now. Okay.
This is Vegeta pulling a Luffy pose before OP was a thing:

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Before someone talk about the angle, OP didn't come up with that either. But people will see what they want to see, so this is pointless.

Except that in the old animation the body is completely in proportion and doesn't look like something from a cartoon network "What a cartoon"! episode