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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by emperior » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:41 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
emperior wrote:I may sound way too optimistic but I expect another top quality episode for the second Goku vs Jiren fight.
I think it's a given that they will go all out on the climax episode.
If the climax of this arc will be better than 110 then it's going to absolutely mind blowing. I also expect them to re-use animation from opening, they still have the Shida cut and the last bit where Goku and Jiren are trading punches. They would just need to change the art which they have already done, and it's surely easier to change the art than making new animation from scratch.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by PMD » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:47 pm

I'm not gonna lie. Even though I really liked the cuts by Tate, Shida and Takahashi, I didn't enjoy it during the episode because they used too much shots of the sidelines inbetween and it kind of ruined the mood. Yuya's cut is the only one that didn't suffer from that. Tate's monstrous cut was ruined by all the bla bla bla from the sidelines and it killed the mood completely. I only enjoyed his cut watching it in Sakugabooru.

The cut that really had me at the edge of my seat was Nikaido's in ep 109. Continuous and ambicious, and wasn't killed by the montage.

I loved the art of both episodes, but the montage really ruined the fluidity of some action scenes and that was kind of a bummer alongside all the nonstop babbling.

Also, why in Sakuga booru Ajay didn't post the entire Shida cut? The entire scene is awesome, with Jiren's ki and those BEAUTIFUL impact frames when he rejects Goku with a blast. I didn't get that decision with the post. Shida was really conservative but it was beautiful indeed.

Tate, thank you for existing and sorry for all the people who dislike or don't appreciate your art and style, they don't know what they're doing.

NEP looks interesting in terms of movement, but not for art style (pretty meh in that regard, looks like Yashima's drawings at times).
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Jigurashi » Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:47 pm

ArchedThunder wrote:
emperior wrote:I may sound way too optimistic but I expect another top quality episode for the second Goku vs Jiren fight.
I think it's a given that they will go all out on the climax episode.
I take it you feel a Goku VS Jiren II is inevitable then?

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by HeroR » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:12 pm

Jigurashi wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote:
emperior wrote:I may sound way too optimistic but I expect another top quality episode for the second Goku vs Jiren fight.
I think it's a given that they will go all out on the climax episode.
I take it you feel a Goku VS Jiren II is inevitable then?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Ajay » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:16 pm

PMD wrote:Also, why in Sakuga booru Ajay didn't post the entire Shida cut? The entire scene is awesome, with Jiren's ki and those BEAUTIFUL impact frames when he rejects Goku with a blast. I didn't get that decision with the post. Shida was really conservative but it was beautiful indeed.
The impact frames are nice, but really just a way of masking that everything around it is made up of stills. Gorgeous stills, but stills nonetheless. Not really booru-worthy, in my opinion. Maybe I'll include the little ki flare bit and the impact frames when I do the BD cut, but I'm okay with my decision at the moment. We'll see~
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:21 pm

On a side note, I still want Yamamuro to supervise one ToP episode. I know he's doing more than we thought behind the scenes, but I would still like him to have his own episode.
Once again he soloed the Ending and once again I love his art.
PMD wrote: The cut that really had me at the edge of my seat was Nikaido's in ep 109. Continuous and ambicious, and wasn't killed by the montage.
Even though visually speaking I give the 1st place to Shida and 2nd place to Takahashi, as far as intensity goes his SSB Goku vs Jiren cut easily wins the whole thing.
He's someone I don't usually mention because I don't know much about him, but according to animator's corner he's been with us since the beginning even though looking to booru only now he's standing out.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Doctor. » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:22 pm

Ajay wrote:The impact frames are nice, but really just a way of masking that everything around it is made up of stills. Gorgeous stills, but stills nonetheless. Not really booru-worthy, in my opinion. Maybe I'll include the little ki flare bit and the impact frames when I do the BD cut, but I'm okay with my decision at the moment. We'll see~
In this one, you could have included the yellow-ish clash of punches and the blue lightning that tore up the stage right before it cuts to Tate's work again.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Jigurashi » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:40 pm

HeroR wrote:
Jigurashi wrote:
ArchedThunder wrote: I think it's a given that they will go all out on the climax episode.
I take it you feel a Goku VS Jiren II is inevitable then?
Goku still has his shirt.
Oh I know. I myself personally believe we'll get a rematch when Goku recovers enough. They'll probably fight again near the end of the tournament.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Cursemark505 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:03 pm

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VejituhTheWarriorGuy wrote:I'm disappointed that so much Spirit Bomb filler and reused animation kept us from more great animation. I prefer Episode 66 to be honest
just some one piece fan jealous of what happened on super and just trying to make this special feel like it was bad while it was great reused animation was like 10 seconds of 50 minutes show
and all in all it was amazing you can't deny it it went way over 66
Theres nothing to be jealous about considering DBsuper for the most part has ranged from mediocre to terrible with only a few great looking episodes while op has plenty that look just as good as these. He had valid criticism and he didn't say it was bad.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by VejituhTheWarriorGuy » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:07 pm

Cursemark505 wrote:
Nasryyy wrote:
VejituhTheWarriorGuy wrote:I'm disappointed that so much Spirit Bomb filler and reused animation kept us from more great animation. I prefer Episode 66 to be honest
just some one piece fan jealous of what happened on super and just trying to make this special feel like it was bad while it was great reused animation was like 10 seconds of 50 minutes show
and all in all it was amazing you can't deny it it went way over 66
Theres nothing to be jealous about considering DBsuper for the most part has ranged from mediocre to terrible with only a few great looking episodes while op has plenty that look just as good as these. He had valid criticism and he didn't say it was bad.
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by kinisking » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:12 pm

iAnimationLover_ wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote: This is why we need Yuya Takahashi in Dragon Ball! he makes everything 100x better! Died for a few seconds after this scene.. I was in awe!
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I thought that was shida ! This guy is really good. Is he the one I've seen referenced as mini shida before ?
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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by PMD » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:18 pm

Ajay wrote:
PMD wrote:Also, why in Sakuga booru Ajay didn't post the entire Shida cut? The entire scene is awesome, with Jiren's ki and those BEAUTIFUL impact frames when he rejects Goku with a blast. I didn't get that decision with the post. Shida was really conservative but it was beautiful indeed.
The impact frames are nice, but really just a way of masking that everything around it is made up of stills. Gorgeous stills, but stills nonetheless. Not really booru-worthy, in my opinion. Maybe I'll include the little ki flare bit and the impact frames when I do the BD cut, but I'm okay with my decision at the moment. We'll see~
Yes please do it! It's so good looking!

Also, question: Shida draw the final scene, right? Goku lying on the ground and Freeza saying "This reminds me of Namek".

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:22 pm

The NEP for #110 was awful, ruined everything, Tate's, Takahashi's and Shida's stuff. Glad I quickly turned the simulcast episode off before it came up honestly if we never got a double episode special I think I would been really disappointed in #110 when it would have aired especially with digesting the NEP for a week. It is different knowing said animators working and not knowing what it is vs seeing some of what their work will be like,if you get what I mean.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by Amir » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:35 pm

After watching the NEP, I can say the only thing that was slightly lacing in the special is more h2h combat martial arts.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by superfan2024 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:00 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:On a side note, I still want Yamamuro to supervise one ToP episode. I know he's doing more than we thought behind the scenes, but I would still like him to have his own episode.
Once again he soloed the Ending and once again I love his art.
PMD wrote: The cut that really had me at the edge of my seat was Nikaido's in ep 109. Continuous and ambicious, and wasn't killed by the montage.
Even though visually speaking I give the 1st place to Shida and 2nd place to Takahashi, as far as intensity goes his SSB Goku vs Jiren cut easily wins the whole thing.
He's someone I don't usually mention because I don't know much about him, but according to animator's corner he's been with us since the beginning even though looking to booru only now he's standing out.
Yamamuro was in this special a ton.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by KameNinja45 » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:18 pm

The storyboarding and choreography in the special was as amazing as the animation...
The POV shot into Goku's first kick and Takahashi's rotation particularly stand out. The sense of speed in both of those cuts is just mind-boggling.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by cuartas » Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:37 pm

Another one that was missing in the special was higashide, I really thought the scene of ryo onishi (where goku was dodging ribrianne blasts) was higashide

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by PMD » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:47 pm

Let me say, I wasn't too impressed with Onishi's cut. It wasn't near half as good as his SSJ Goku vs Beerus cut.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by aaronWgamer » Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:47 am

PMD wrote:Let me say, I wasn't too impressed with Onishi's cut. It wasn't near half as good as his SSJ Goku vs Beerus cut.
Disagreed. It wasn't on that level but the section with Goku flying forward looked pretty great. I'm more disappointed he didn't work on Goku VS Jiren.

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Re: Super Animation Catalogue 2.0 - Episode 100

Post by BakaManiaHD » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:50 am

PMD wrote:Let me say, I wasn't too impressed with Onishi's cut. It wasn't near half as good as his SSJ Goku vs Beerus cut.
i think that his Goku vs Ribrianne cut was a lot better, much more interesting with some cool background animation and character acting for ribrianne and nice beam effects too.
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