Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:14 pm

In all seriousness, how much do you think it would cost for Disney to buy out Dragon Ball entirely, like own Dragon Ball lock, stock and barrel? $100 million? $200 million? $300 million? They definitely have that kind of money to throw around, and if the next Dragon Ball movie makes near the $90-100 million mark internationally, I could see Disney going for it.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:25 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:In all seriousness, how much do you think it would cost for Disney to buy out Dragon Ball entirely, like own Dragon Ball lock, stock and barrel? $100 million? $200 million? $300 million? They definitely have that kind of money to throw around, and if the next Dragon Ball movie makes near the $90-100 million mark internationally, I could see Disney going for it.
I could see around 2-500 million being likely. I doubt it would be any higher than that, though. Dragon Ball is popular, but it doesn't have the ability to essentially immediately make up for its cost like Marvel and Star Wars did.

Whether Disney would bother buying it or not....I doubt it. It's not worth it to them.
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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by Doctor. » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:31 pm

I think that Disney buying Dragon Ball would benefit DB more than it does Disney. Not only would it gain more attention and care from the company that owns the franchise, the fact that its bought by Disney would no doubt make DB rise in popularity in the US.

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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:39 pm

Doctor. wrote:I think that Disney buying Dragon Ball would benefit DB more than it does Disney. Not only would it gain more attention and care from the company that owns the franchise, the fact that its bought by Disney would no doubt make DB rise in popularity in the US.
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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by Michie » Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:04 pm

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Kakarotto92 wrote:At this point I think even Studio Pierrot would make a better job than Toei. I'm no animation expert but the original Naruto series was one the best animated battle shounen series I have ever seen. The same can't be said about Shippuden though, quite the opposite.
Studio Pierrot shows absolutely no respect for the source material they end up adapting. I wouldn't want them anywhere NEAR Dragon Ball.
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Post by coola » Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:46 pm

I'm actually happy Disney saved Star Wars from Lucas, so he can't continue to butcher it even more, maybe DB could benefit from it too?
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:01 pm

Michie wrote:Bleach
So fantastic it got cancelled prematurely.
Naruto
This one also had to get rebooted as Naruto Shippuden after almost a 100 episodes worth of filler hell and even Shippuden still has some shit filler.
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Post by FortuneSSJ » Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:15 pm

coola wrote:I'm actually happy Disney saved Star Wars from Lucas, so he can't continue to butcher it even more, maybe DB could benefit from it too?
I don't see any benefit from this.
A world without Dragon Ball is just meh.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:22 pm

coola wrote:I'm actually happy Disney saved Star Wars from Lucas, so he can't continue to butcher it even more, maybe DB could benefit from it too?
More pandering to the lowest possible common denominator with anything resembling good story-telling or diverging from the popular path getting shived in a back alley? Hell no. Toriyama's jab at that with Resurrection F(arce) was bad enough, seeing Disney TFA DB would be awful.
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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by Michie » Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:36 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Michie wrote:Bleach
So fantastic it got cancelled prematurely.
Naruto
This one also had to get rebooted as Naruto Shippuden after almost a 100 episodes worth of filler hell and even Shippuden still has some shit filler.
Both aren't fair arguments. The Bleach anime did the best it could with the source material. It's not Pierrot fault the Bleach manga became a joke. The grimmjow vs ichigo or the Ulguiora vs Ichigo are some of the best fights in anime history. Bleach also has some of the best openings/endings which brings me to Naruto.

I agree they shouldn't change the title of a running anime after a time skip. A filler arc before a change in title also sounds really stupid. Something like that could never work.

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Post by MCDaveG » Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:42 pm

Michie wrote:
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Michie wrote:Bleach
So fantastic it got cancelled prematurely.
A filler arc before a change in title also sounds really stupid. Something like that could never work.
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Post by Basaku » Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:29 pm

coola wrote:I'm actually happy Disney saved Star Wars from Lucas, so he can't continue to butcher it even more, maybe DB could benefit from it too?
Could be cool, but if they haven't done it in the 90s/00s, I don't see them buying Toei now.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:44 pm

People will still dislike Super if it was not animated by Toei if it has a bad story. Animation can't always save everything. Story telling always comes first. Just like how graphics don't matter to video games if you have good gameplay and story. Same with movies as long if you have a good story to tell and special effects won't matter. People seem to dislike the retelling of BOG and ROF because they feel weak compare to the film versions.
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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by CosmicSaiyan » Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:13 pm

So the question probably still remains unanswered. Is it possible for any other studio to take over dragon ball at this late point?

If its possible then what would need to happen first? Would it require massive petition from the fans of both japan and other countries? Would it require personal authorization from Shueisha or Toei director?
Who holds the ultimate decision here?

Now if Toei did magically gave up on Super after frieza arc, i would personally would want Madhouse to take over the series, following the manga strictly without any useless fillers, just give us longer battle scenes so they dont feel rushed soo much like in the manga.

I'm also wondering if it would even be possible for other studio to take over someone else started work without starting again from the scratch or having a complete different story and title. Cause if Toei is currently making money from dragon ball super, they technically still own rights for any part of the earnings that they receive on their past done episodes. So its going to be a bit tricky.

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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by Mozgus » Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:41 pm

Toei is doing fine so far. toei is also working on one piece, imagine if they had all their animators working on super. but so far so good

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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by Basaku » Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:50 pm

CosmicSaiyan wrote: If its possible then what would need to happen first? Would it require massive petition from the fans of both japan and other countries? Would it require personal authorization from Shueisha or Toei director?
Who holds the ultimate decision here?
It would require a company with tons of $$$ to buyout Shueisha and possibly Toei as well depending on the specifics of the deal to animate DB content between Shueisha and Toei.

Or you get a company with lots of $$$ to buy Toei and manage its animation production completly differently.

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Post by CosmicSaiyan » Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:12 pm

Basaku wrote:
CosmicSaiyan wrote: If its possible then what would need to happen first? Would it require massive petition from the fans of both japan and other countries? Would it require personal authorization from Shueisha or Toei director?
Who holds the ultimate decision here?
It would require a company with tons of $$$ to buyout Shueisha and possibly Toei as well depending on the specifics of the deal to animate DB content between Shueisha and Toei.

Or you get a company with lots of $$$ to buy Toei and manage its animation production completly differently.
Even if i was rich and had my company, i wouldnt go that far to buying out Toei and Shueisha over some cartoon lol. If people are continuing to watch and support their show despite their minimum $$ efforts at trying to make it look decent enough. Then that a pretty good use of their animators labor.

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Post by Sodhi » Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:59 pm

CosmicSaiyan wrote:So the question probably still remains unanswered. Is it possible for any other studio to take over dragon ball at this late point?

If its possible then what would need to happen first? Would it require massive petition from the fans of both japan and other countries? Would it require personal authorization from Shueisha or Toei director?
Who holds the ultimate decision here?

Now if Toei did magically gave up on Super after Freeza arc, i would personally would want Madhouse to take over the series, following the manga strictly without any useless fillers, just give us longer battle scenes so they dont feel rushed soo much like in the manga.

I'm also wondering if it would even be possible for other studio to take over someone else started work without starting again from the scratch or having a complete different story and title. Cause if Toei is currently making money from dragon ball super, they technically still own rights for any part of the earnings that they receive on their past done episodes. So its going to be a bit tricky.
The ultimate decision would be Toei's to give it up so that other studio can take it. Bandai Namco and Shueisha have nothing to do with the studios, they just want their $$$. It is very possible for other studio to take over someone else's work and just continue it, as it is Toriyama's story and he has the final say in the story. new studio would just get the money received from the date their broadcast starts.

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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by Kakarotto92 » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:36 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:In all seriousness, how much do you think it would cost for Disney to buy out Dragon Ball entirely, like own Dragon Ball lock, stock and barrel? $100 million? $200 million? $300 million? They definitely have that kind of money to throw around, and if the next Dragon Ball movie makes near the $90-100 million mark internationally, I could see Disney going for it.
Toei would NEVER sell Dragon Ball's rights to the Mouse, in the most extreme scenario they would probaly just sell it to another japanese studio. Japan is a very nationalistic (even slightly chauvinistic) country and so is its current government; they would never allow a precious and extremelly profitable property like Dragon Ball to be sold to a powerful foreign corporation like Disney (and thank Kami for that).

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Re: Which studio would be perfect for dbs?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:40 pm

Kakarotto92 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:In all seriousness, how much do you think it would cost for Disney to buy out Dragon Ball entirely, like own Dragon Ball lock, stock and barrel? $100 million? $200 million? $300 million? They definitely have that kind of money to throw around, and if the next Dragon Ball movie makes near the $90-100 million mark internationally, I could see Disney going for it.
Toei would NEVER sell Dragon Ball's rights to the Mouse, in the most extreme scenario they would probaly just sell it to another japanese studio. Japan is a very nationalistic (even slightly chauvinistic) country and so is its current government; they would never allow a precious and extremelly profitable property like Dragon Ball to be sold to a powerful foreign corporation like Disney (and thank Kami for that).
Sure they would, if the price was good enough. That's never stopped them before.
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