Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by Ushabtis » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:10 pm

I'm still holding out that gohan will eventually do something. you can't keep having Gohan say stuff like this and not do anything with him

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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:37 pm

Well Gohan hasn't even been shown in the manga. My current theory is that everything Gohan so far has been filler minus ROF arc (due to the movie) and FT arc visit (we don't know if it's in the manga yet).

To me this is the best hope of Gohan fans...that he wasn't intended to look so weak to this point.
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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by Ushabtis » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:40 pm

why is the super manga more "canon" than the anime? I'd think it'd be the other way around
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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:43 pm

Ushabtis wrote:why is the super manga more "canon" than the anime? I'd think it'd be the other way around
I'm not saying it's more Canon. What I'm saying is Toriyama wrote the outline for both and we see similar concepts in both. A lot of moments are almost the same but expressed differently. The fact that Gohan hasn't even been shown in the manga makes me believe he wasn't written heavily if at all in the outline to this point.

Also I dont know that its fact but I've read here that Toriyama works more closely with the manga. Plus having just read the manga...I can't deny it's 10000000000000x better than the anime so perhaps I'd just like to believe that is canon :lol:
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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by Ushabtis » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:50 pm

yeah but this Gohan training thing could lead to an arc in the future, seems like a weird thing to mention this multiple times and have lead absolutely nowhere.

Since gohan is so off screen in the manga a simple sentence of "he was training the whole time" would suffice.
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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by Kagari » Mon Aug 01, 2016 11:56 pm

Ushabtis wrote:why is the super manga more "canon" than the anime? I'd think it'd be the other way around
The anime is the main product. That said, the manga didn't cover Resurrection F or its conclusion but Toei is ultimately the one fleshing out Toriyama's outline so it's on them to remember continuity even if it's stuff they added to the script.

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Post by Ushabtis » Tue Aug 02, 2016 12:00 am

Kagari wrote:The anime is the main product. That said, the manga didn't cover Resurrection F or its conclusion but Toei is ultimately the one fleshing out Toriyama's outline so it's on them to remember continuity even if it's stuff they added to the script.
that makes sense, well hopefully this gohan training thing leads to something.
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Post by Kagari » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:01 am

Ushabtis wrote:
Kagari wrote:The anime is the main product. That said, the manga didn't cover Resurrection F or its conclusion but Toei is ultimately the one fleshing out Toriyama's outline so it's on them to remember continuity even if it's stuff they added to the script.
that makes sense, well hopefully this gohan training thing leads to something.
Yeah who knows. I guess it's notable that he's gone back to his Battle of the Gods design, which was before his power nerf... so we'll see.

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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by SSJ Human » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:03 am

I admittedly haven't read the manga but is he really not featured in it at all?

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Post by Kagari » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:14 am

SSJ Human wrote:I admittedly haven't read the manga but is he really not featured in it at all?
He's in the beginning chapters with the Battle of the Gods retelling, but only mentioned by name a couple times in the Champa arc.

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Post by SSJ Human » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:35 am

Kagari wrote:
SSJ Human wrote:I admittedly haven't read the manga but is he really not featured in it at all?
He's in the beginning chapters with the Battle of the Gods retelling, but only mentioned by name a couple times in the Champa arc.
That's kind of disappointing. We're on the first chapter of the Future Trunks arc, right?

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Post by Kagari » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:36 am

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SSJ Human wrote:I admittedly haven't read the manga but is he really not featured in it at all?
He's in the beginning chapters with the Battle of the Gods retelling, but only mentioned by name a couple times in the Champa arc.
That's kind of disappointing. We're on the first chapter of the Future Trunks arc, right?
Yep, it ended right before Black and Trunks fight so it's even more behind now.

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Post by SSJ Human » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:39 am

Kagari wrote:
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Kagari wrote: He's in the beginning chapters with the Battle of the Gods retelling, but only mentioned by name a couple times in the Champa arc.
That's kind of disappointing. We're on the first chapter of the Future Trunks arc, right?
Yep, it ended right before Black and Trunks fight so it's even more behind now.
Oh my. I'm starting to believe Gohan's reunion episode will be completely omitted now.

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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by Kagari » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:46 am

SSJ Human wrote:
Kagari wrote:
SSJ Human wrote: That's kind of disappointing. We're on the first chapter of the Future Trunks arc, right?
Yep, it ended right before Black and Trunks fight so it's even more behind now.
Oh my. I'm starting to believe Gohan's reunion episode will be completely omitted now.
Yeah I'm interested to see how it'll play out in the manga version. Toyotaro's take is already somewhat different so far.

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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by SSJ Human » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:48 am

Kagari wrote:
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Kagari wrote:
Yep, it ended right before Black and Trunks fight so it's even more behind now.
Oh my. I'm starting to believe Gohan's reunion episode will be completely omitted now.
Yeah I'm interested to see how it'll play out in the manga version. Toyotaro's take is already somewhat different so far.
It'll probably be a short two panels or something.

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Post by MozillaVulpix » Tue Aug 02, 2016 4:00 am

Ushabtis wrote:I'm still holding out that gohan will eventually do something. you can't keep having Gohan say stuff like this and not do anything with him
I mean, you can. It's just bad writing.
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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by Kishido » Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:48 am

This words by Vegeta to Trunks... God damnit... It goes for Gohan as well.

Yeah and before peple say he started training after RoF... Cool... Piccolo again said he is no fighter in this arc

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Post by Kagari » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:13 pm

Kishido wrote:This words by Vegeta to Trunks... God damnit... It goes for Gohan as well.

Yeah and before peple say he started training after RoF... Cool... Piccolo again said he is no fighter in this arc
Piccolo said he's distancing himself from martial arts but that doesn't really go against his resolve at the end of Resurrection F if you think about it. Piccolo didn't say he was outright done with it. He can still train while doing the scholar thing, he's not about being the strongest. If anything that line was probably meant to keep him from participating in the current arc. Same with Goten's school stuff keeping him away from meeting Future Trunks.

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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by Kishido » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:26 pm

Kagari wrote:
Kishido wrote:This words by Vegeta to Trunks... God damnit... It goes for Gohan as well.

Yeah and before peple say he started training after RoF... Cool... Piccolo again said he is no fighter in this arc
Piccolo said he's distancing himself from martial arts but that doesn't really go against his resolve at the end of Resurrection F if you think about it. Piccolo didn't say he was outright done with it. He can still train while doing the scholar thing, he's not about being the strongest. If anything that line was probably meant to keep him from participating in the current arc. Same with Goten's school stuff keeping him away from meeting Future Trunks.
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Re: Forget about Gohan, what remains are only memories

Post by Kagari » Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:31 pm

Kishido wrote:
Kagari wrote:
Kishido wrote:This words by Vegeta to Trunks... God damnit... It goes for Gohan as well.

Yeah and before peple say he started training after RoF... Cool... Piccolo again said he is no fighter in this arc
Piccolo said he's distancing himself from martial arts but that doesn't really go against his resolve at the end of Resurrection F if you think about it. Piccolo didn't say he was outright done with it. He can still train while doing the scholar thing, he's not about being the strongest. If anything that line was probably meant to keep him from participating in the current arc. Same with Goten's school stuff keeping him away from meeting Future Trunks.
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It wouldn't be much of a stretch for him to help out if the present Earth is threatened again. That's all anyone can hope for right now with Super's large disregard for most of the established cast.

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