Has everybody noticed? Future Trunks arc had lots of firsts

[Faisal Shourov]

Ep 67 brought many first things in Dragon Ball

1) For the first time ever, the main villain is not defeated by a saiyan or Z-warrior

2) The Z-warriors lost and failed completely in this arc. All their fighting was totally futile.This is also the first arc where the ending is purely tragic.

3) This one is kinda tricky, but Zamasu did technically win and his zero mortal plan succeeded. All past villains in DB either died as loser or converted into good guy.

4) Most importantly, for the first time in Dragon Ball everybody who died in this arc will remain dead for good. The infamous plot device (shenron granting wish and revive) won't work. Trunks and co accepted their fate and will live with the consequence. This is the only arc in DB where death has any meaning or value.

Any more points?

[precita]

Should also be mentioned how prominent Bulma was in this arc.

[Kamiccolo9]

They can always use the Super Dragon Balls to bring everyone back.

[Faisal Shourov]

They can always use the Super Dragon Balls to bring everyone back.

Nope, it will repeat the events as Vegeta said. Any attempt to restore the timeline will create another time ring

[Jinzoningen MULE]

For the first time ever, the main villain is not defeated by a saiyan or Z-warrior

General Blue
Commander Red
Piccolo Jr.
Dr. Gero
Android 16
Android 17
Android 18
Fat Boo

The Z-warriors lost and failed completely in this arc. All their fighting was totally futile.This is also the first arc where the ending is purely tragic.

Saiyan Arc

This one is kinda tricky, but Zamasu did technically win and his zero mortal plan succeeded. All past villains in DB either died as loser or converted into good guy.

Cell reached his perfect form, and was stopped afterwards. Similar to Zamasu's situation.

Most importantly, for the first time in Dragon Ball everybody who died in this arc will remain dead for good. The infamous plot device (shenron granting wish and revive) won't work. Trunks and co accepted their fate and will live with the consequence. This is the only arc in DB where death has any meaning or value.

At the end of the Android Arc, no one in Trunks' future was brought back to life, the only one left he had to care about was Bulma. This time, the only one left that he cares about is Mai, but they still get to live in a world with identical versions of everyone they had protected. It's only a slight difference, not signifigant enough to call it a "first.


Sorry to be a party-pooper, but this arc wasn't anything special. Even if you like it, it just factually isn't all that unique. There's some cool lore-building, I guess.

[Black_Liger]

1: I'm pretty sure the Saiyan battle was actually won, just with a lot of casualties, but there was still a chance to bring everyone back.

2: Cell's perfect form? yeah, You could say that, but after that, he just wanted to show off, and was put to shame by a kid, meanwhile, you literally had to destroy and entire multiverse with the strongest known being to defeat Zamasu, similar situations, but one is clearly superior.

3: It is significant, atleast they were left with an afterlife and we thought Trunks' timeline would be safe, here we know it's completely destroyed along with it's afterlife with no way to bring it back, in the end even if they go to another timeline, all the people they fought with will be death and stay dead forever, no, not that, they are completely erased from existence.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

...they are completely erased from existence.

Sort of, I guess. But this new timeline only deviated maybe a year ago, so it's pretty much the same.

[Kamiccolo9]

They can always use the Super Dragon Balls to bring everyone back.

Nope, it will repeat the events as Vegeta said. Any attempt to restore the timeline will create another time ring

"Super Shenron, I wish for everyone to be brought back without creating another time ring."

[Jinzoningen MULE]

They can always use the Super Dragon Balls to bring everyone back.

Nope, it will repeat the events as Vegeta said. Any attempt to restore the timeline will create another time ring

"Super Shenron, I wish for everyone to be brought back without creating another time ring."

Super Shenlong doesn't have to change time to put everything back to normal, no time ring would be necessary.

[Cipher]

...they are completely erased from existence.

Sort of, I guess. But this new timeline only deviated maybe a year ago, so it's pretty much the same.

The same but substantially weirder, since they'll be their own doppelgängers in it. It's a constant reminder that, though they've created one outcome where everyone they know survives, there are still versions of them they originally knew who didn't. Just like the Gohan of the present having a happy life doesn't change the fact the version Trunks knew is dead; it's definitely worth something, but it doesn't erase the previous loss.

I think it's a bit different from the straight-forward victory Trunks obtains against the androids and Cell in his timeline after returning from the past.

As for Zamasu achieving his plans, I mean, yeah, but only for a moment before being defeated by the delicious irony of having the universe he envisioned -- and has literally become -- judged irritating and eliminated by a capricious god who outranks him.

The fact that that world is going to live on via a splinter timeline is also something a refudiation of his plans. His mortal-less world doesn't exist.

[Black_Liger]

The fact that that world is going to live on via a splinter timeline is also something a refudiation of his plans. His mortal-less world doesn't exist.

Actually, it does, That timeline is empty now, no mortals, and it was erased by a god, so, I bet that if Zamasu could say anything now, he would be happy as hell, and the vast colorful emptiness... It might just be the true beauty of the universe he seeked.

[Cipher]

Actually, it does, That timeline is empty now, no mortals, and it was erased by a god, so, I bet that if Zamasu could say anything now, he would be happy as hell, and the vast colorful emptiness... It might just be the true beauty of the universe he seeked.

Nah; he says he wanted peace, but his real goal was to have an entire multiverse the way Zamasu wanted it with Zamasu as its savior and god. He's an egotist.

He became the world he wanted for about a minute before an even higher god deemed it unacceptable and treated it exactly the way he treated humans. And they did it for absolutely no ideals. Zenou didn't even care; Goku pointed out that Zamasu had made the world this way, and Zenou took care of a world he found irritating. It was an utter rejection.

Of course the heroes didn't win either. No one wanted the destruction of the universe.

[Faisal Shourov]

Nope, it will repeat the events as Vegeta said. Any attempt to restore the timeline will create another time ring

"Super Shenron, I wish for everyone to be brought back without creating another time ring."

Super Shenlong doesn't have to change time to put everything back to normal, no time ring would be necessary.

Super Shenron can't change back past, you can't change past in Dragon Ball. If Shenron tries to do anything it will create timering. Remember Trunks tried to put everything into normal and it just created another timeline.

[Kepiaschkz]

"Super Shenron, I wish you to restore the Future Trunks multiverse the way it was before Gowasu was killed and WITHOUT Zamasu and Mai / Future Trunks ( otherwise they still would have doppelgangers lol ) . "

I don't see why it would create any new time ring formulated this way. It doesn't change the past. It just copy paste the past ( minus Zamasu ) into the present.

Even better : the same wish but "before Goku died from an heart attack and WITHOUT Dr Gero AND Zamasu / Trunks / Mai. "

[Gig]

I think that Super Shenron may restore Future Trunks reality except Black and Zamasu without the need to rewind time or alter timeline in any way. Just like it "restored" universe 6 earth and humankind: nobody said it splitted reality while doing it... it "recreated" the planet and filled it with vegetation and animals (including humans and their technology). This time it should have to do it in a larger scale (not just a single planet, but everything) and in a different timeline... but being said that its wishes have no limitations....

However, writers decided to go to a different direction for once...

[Gig]

3) This one is kinda tricky, but Zamasu did technically win and his zero mortal plan succeeded.

I would not say that. His plan was to have a beautiful "world" (I suppose he meant "multiverse"), just without mortals/humans. Now there is no universe at all (no plants, no water, no planets, no moons, no stars, nothing), the plan failed.

Maybe it may be considered a "draw"?

[Lord Beerus]

For the first time ever, the main villain is not defeated by a saiyan or Z-warrior

General Blue
Commander Red
Piccolo Jr.
Dr. Gero
Android 16
Android 17
Android 18
Fat Boo.

I wouldn't consider any of those characters to be a main villain. An antagonist, absolutely, but main villain? Nope.

[DBZAOTA482]

Ep 67 brought many first things in Dragon Ball

1) For the first time ever, the main villain is not defeated by a saiyan or Z-warrior

2) The Z-warriors lost and failed completely in this arc. All their fighting was totally futile.This is also the first arc where the ending is purely tragic.

3) This one is kinda tricky, but Zamasu did technically win and his zero mortal plan succeeded. All past villains in DB either died as loser or converted into good guy.

4) Most importantly, for the first time in Dragon Ball everybody who died in this arc will remain dead for good. The infamous plot device (shenron granting wish and revive) won't work. Trunks and co accepted their fate and will live with the consequence. This is the only arc in DB where death has any meaning or value.

Any more points?

Grandpa Gohan, Future Z-Warriors, #16, Goku (at first), King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory's deaths had plenty of meaning.

And Cell achieved what he wanted (perfection).

[Jinzoningen MULE]

For the first time ever, the main villain is not defeated by a saiyan or Z-warrior

General Blue
Commander Red
Piccolo Jr.
Dr. Gero
Android 16
Android 17
Android 18
Fat Boo.

I wouldn't consider any of those characters to be a main villain. An antagonist, absolutely, but main villain? Nope.

All of them except for arguably General Blue and #16 were main villains at one point. It's not even debatable, they just factually, demonstrably were.

[buutenks]

General Blue
Commander Red
Piccolo Jr.
Dr. Gero
Android 16
Android 17
Android 18
Fat Boo.

I wouldn't consider any of those characters to be a main villain. An antagonist, absolutely, but main villain? Nope.

All of them except for arguably General Blue and #16 were main villains at one point. It's not even debatable, they just factually, demonstrably were.

But they were mostly defeated by a saiyan or a z warrior. And neither required wiping the multiverse for them to be defeated.