Other universes didn't recruit very well

[julianix]

It seems blatantly obvious that most of the universes involved in the tournament either A) didn't have enough time to recruit or B) completely dropped the ball recruiting. In the case of universe 7 we had every character recruited by Goku. Every single one of them besides Roshi and tien are an absolute monster if they are serious. I think the same thing happened in other universes where a hand full of known powerful mortals influenced the god and kioshin of their universe; and what we got was a bunch of warriors that know each other and are friends. But unfortunately most of if not all of them are weaklings.

I just think they could of done a better job creating the fighters and matching them up with characters in similar levels. Because of the agregious mismatch most of our fighters will fall to Jiren, Toppo and another rematch with universe 6.

[Totamo]

We knew not every character was going to be powerful, every universe was banking on a couple people.

[hardcorefakes]

No, it's not that.

It's just that the writers don't write very well.

[Akyon]

In Universe, we knew this to be true too.

Look at Ramoosh, hiring the eight meatheads of U10 and a pair of flying fighters without knowing anything about them prior. He's so lazy he makes Beerus and Champa look positively active in their positions.

[Glen300]

The tournament isn't even at the halfway point yet. U7 fighters will be eliminated at a much slower pace than fodder from other universes.

[Lionel]

It doesn't help that U7's two prime-most fighters are harnessing unnatural energies which ningen can't access without specialised rituals and training. Strip them of those powers and the sky's the limit. You've opened the floodgates to any number of possible combat scenarios transpiring. Goku could be having an all out earth-shattering bloody duel to the death with Tupper using SSJ3 while Vegeta is brutally beaten into submission by Ribrianne.

So many different variables that overlapped with each other allowed for Universe 7 to have this advantage. If you want to curse anyone for their meritless strength then look no further than the front men for U11, U6's Saiyans and Hit. Freeza attaining power equivalent to the gods was convoluted and asinine, but some minor inkling of foundation did exist with the quantitative base he started with and built up from there. What can even be said to justify what was seen from the aforementioned characters?

[hardcorefakes]

It doesn't help that U7's two prime-most fighters are harnessing unnatural energies which ningen can't access without specialised rituals and training. Strip them of those powers and the sky's the limit. You've opened the floodgates to any number of possible combat scenarios transpiring. Goku could be having an all out earth-shattering bloody duel to the death with Tupper using SSJ3 while Vegeta is brutally beaten into submission by Ribrianne.

So many different variables that overlapped with each other allowed for Universe 7 to have this advantage. If you want to curse anyone for their meritless strength then look no further than the front men for U11, U6's Saiyans and Hit. Freeza attaining power equivalent to the gods was convoluted and asinine, but some minor inkling of foundation did exist with the quantitative base he started with and built up from there. What can even be said to justify what was seen from the aforementioned characters?

But muh tingly feeling

[fadeddreams5]

Other universes didn't recruit well? At least they chose from across their galaxy. They tried. It just so happens, their universes are weak.

Universe 7 chose Krillin and Master Roshi over Goten and Trunks. They could have pulled strings and invited Future Trunks too--the only fighter in the series with a brain. Personally, I wish they made Pikkon canon. Best opportunity to do so.

[Lord Beerus]

I think people don't really take into consideration the mortal level of the Universe that that are taking part taking part in the Tournament Of Power. They a below the acceptable standard, meaning that the Kaioshin and Hakaishin don't do a good job of overseeing their universe. The type of fighters that were recruited by the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other Universe really reflect why their mortal rating isn't good enough.

I made this point another thread and I'll say it again: Universe 7 are so not like any Universe in the Tournament Of Power, as they are so unintentionally ahead of the curve.

Scenarios like Raditz finding Goku on Earth and Freeza and his army going to Namek were all freak accidents that had a major affect on the perspective of Universe 7. And then are incidents like the Android being activated and Majin Boo being resurrected, didn't need to happen but the main cast let it happen anyway. And in the latter case, they deliberately allowed the Androids to be activated so they could challenge themselves. The main cast of Universe 7 had to constantly prepare themselves for the next upcoming threat, and because of this, were granted so many shortcuts in getting very strong (Training with Kami, training with King Kai, the ROSAT, the Gravity Machine) and learned many techniques to give them the edge in battle that most other universes wouldn't have even heard of (Pretty much every technique Roshi and Tien know).

Goku and Vegeta only got as strong as they have because of the big unconditional favors they get from the Gods of their universe. I mean, Goku wouldn't have gotten as strong as he did in the Saiyan arc or the Majin Boo arc if the literal God of Death himself didn't grant him the major favor of allowing to keep his body in death so he could train. And Vegeta would have become a SSJB if Whis didn't throw him a bone and train him just because he gave him some tasty food.

The context of how Universe 7 changed is so far from the the norm compare to other universes in the Tournament Of Power. And Universe 7 having the second lowest mortal rating out the entire multiverse actually brilliantly reflects that. Shit happened Universe 7 that really shouldn't have happened and had extensional effect on the growth of the main cast in terms of personality, but so much more so in the strength department.

[Doctor.]

I think people don't really take into consideration the mortal level of the Universe that that are taking part taking part in the Tournament Of Power. They a below the acceptable standard, meaning that the Kaioshin and Hakaishin don't do a good job of overseeing their universe. The type of fighters that were recruited by the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other Universe really reflect why their mortal rating isn't good enough.

I made this point another thread and I'll say it again: Universe 7 are so not like any Universe in the Tournament Of Power, as they are so unintentionally ahead of the curve.

Scenarios like Raditz finding Goku on Earth and Freeza and his army going to Namek were all freak accidents that had a major affect on the perspective of Universe 7. And then are incidents like the Android being activated and Majin Boo being resurrected, didn't need to happen but the main cast let it happen anyway. And in the latter case, they deliberately allowed the Androids to be activated so they could challenge themselves. The main cast of Universe 7 had to constantly prepare themselves for the next upcoming threat, and because of this, were granted so many shortcuts in getting very strong (Training with Kami, training with King Kai, the ROSAT, the Gravity Machine) and learned many techniques to give them the edge in battle that most other universes wouldn't have even heard of (Pretty much every technique Roshi and Tien know).

Goku and Vegeta only got as strong as they have because of the big unconditional favors they get from the Gods of their universe. I mean, Goku wouldn't have gotten as strong as he did in the Saiyan arc or the Majin Boo arc if the literal God of Death himself didn't grant him the major favor of allowing to keep his body in death so he could train. And Vegeta would have become a SSJB if Whis didn't throw him a bone and train him just because he gave him some tasty food.

The context of how Universe 7 changed is so far from the the norm compare to other universes in the Tournament Of Power. And Universe 7 having the second lowest mortal rating out the entire multiverse actually brilliantly reflects that. Shit happened Universe 7 that really shouldn't have happened and had extensional effect on the growth of the main cast in terms of personality, but so much more so in the strength department.

Right, and what's stopping similar events from happening in the other universes?

And not really, most of the stuff until the android arc was exactly how everything "should have happened." Destiny only changed when Trunks came to the past.

[precita]

Its not like Universe 7 chose all its strongest fighters either. No Trunks and Goten over Roshi/Tien.

[MrBlackFox]

I agree with the users saying it's mostly bad writing, there's no way in the world U11 élite warriors could be jobbers, and we just saw what happened instead

Krillin and 17 getting eliminations, while well trained expert soldiers didn't, it's...meh

[Lord Beerus]

I think people don't really take into consideration the mortal level of the Universe that that are taking part taking part in the Tournament Of Power. They a below the acceptable standard, meaning that the Kaioshin and Hakaishin don't do a good job of overseeing their universe. The type of fighters that were recruited by the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other Universe really reflect why their mortal rating isn't good enough.

I made this point another thread and I'll say it again: Universe 7 are so not like any Universe in the Tournament Of Power, as they are so unintentionally ahead of the curve.

Scenarios like Raditz finding Goku on Earth and Freeza and his army going to Namek were all freak accidents that had a major affect on the perspective of Universe 7. And then are incidents like the Android being activated and Majin Boo being resurrected, didn't need to happen but the main cast let it happen anyway. And in the latter case, they deliberately allowed the Androids to be activated so they could challenge themselves. The main cast of Universe 7 had to constantly prepare themselves for the next upcoming threat, and because of this, were granted so many shortcuts in getting very strong (Training with Kami, training with King Kai, the ROSAT, the Gravity Machine) and learned many techniques to give them the edge in battle that most other universes wouldn't have even heard of (Pretty much every technique Roshi and Tien know).

Goku and Vegeta only got as strong as they have because of the big unconditional favors they get from the Gods of their universe. I mean, Goku wouldn't have gotten as strong as he did in the Saiyan arc or the Majin Boo arc if the literal God of Death himself didn't grant him the major favor of allowing to keep his body in death so he could train. And Vegeta would have become a SSJB if Whis didn't throw him a bone and train him just because he gave him some tasty food.

The context of how Universe 7 changed is so far from the the norm compare to other universes in the Tournament Of Power. And Universe 7 having the second lowest mortal rating out the entire multiverse actually brilliantly reflects that. Shit happened Universe 7 that really shouldn't have happened and had extensional effect on the growth of the main cast in terms of personality, but so much more so in the strength department.

Right, and what's stopping similar events from happening in the other universes?

And not really, most of the stuff until the android arc was exactly how everything "should have happened." Destiny only changed when Trunks came to the past.

Considering that only one universe has a lower mortal rating than Universe 7 (Universe 9), I think it's safe to say that the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of Universe 2, 3, 4, 6, 10 & 11 were just doing a better job of managing their universes by making sure that shit like Freeza terrorizing the galaxy for what felt like an eternity, the Androids causing havoc and Majin Boo running amok in the universe for God knows how long, never happened and/or were quickly nipped in the bud. Obviously the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other universes weren't doing their job to the best of their ability considering the mortal levels for those universes is still below the acceptable standard, so some shit still went down in those other universes that they are very much accountable for. But it was nowhere near the level of catastrophes that happened in the train-wreck universe that is Universe 7 and didn't also coincidentally benefit from it as much as the main cast of Universe 7 did.

Also, the Namek and Freeza arc were a big fucking fluke in the making. It was only through pure coincidence and good fortune that Freeza got the drop on Namek and the Namekian Dragon Balls. If Freeza never found about Namek, a lot shit doesn't happen. And even before that, Vegeta living beyond the Saiyan arc was all down ot just good fortune and having a hell of a lot of good graces on his side.

[MrBlackFox]

Its not like Universe 7 chose all its strongest fighters either. No Trunks and Goten over Roshi/Tien.

This makes sense, Roshi and Tien are still in and are doing well, sticking to strategy
It's absolutely impossible to see those two kids obeying to Gohan orders and just staying on their positions

If Goten and Trunks were there, two scenarios could have happened:

1) Abandoning the team just like Frieza, Vegeta and others and fight separately, then sneakily slammed out of the ring by some bastard like Frost did

2) Same starting as the first scenario, but they immediately decide to fuse, only to being slammed out by some strong fighter and only after realizing how idiot they've been, causing two eliminations in one

Just try to imagine, for example, Nink clinch Gotenks like he did with Goku, it'd be impossible for him to free himself, Goku needed blue, he can go ssj3 at the most

[precita]

^ Even so, it's very likely Trunks and Goten would have knocked out a few fighters before going down themselves, so it makes no difference.

[MrBlackFox]

^ Even so, it's very likely Trunks and Goten would have knocked out a few fighters before going down themselves, so it makes no difference.

Maybe, maybe not, but now you'd have two fighters less, while with Roshi and Tien still in, they're waiting for the others to do the dirty job, only to stepping in after most of the fighters are gone

10 vs others is way better than getting rid of two strong fighters only to have some opponents less
Also, they made clear that's not only power level that is needed in the tournament, but experience and sneaky techniques are more important

The kids don't have any useful technique, unless they fuse, but then you'll have limited time and the aforementioned risk of getting two fighters eliminated in one shot

[sintzu]

No, it's not that.

It's just that the writers don't write very well.

This and the fact that it would take waaaaaaay to long to give 80 characters equal screen time.

What they should've done is cut the number down to 3-4 per universe and develop everyone properly.

I made this point another thread and I'll say it again: Universe 7 are so not like any Universe in the Tournament Of Power, as they are so unintentionally ahead of the curve.

As much as people make fun of Raditz, it was his arrival on earth that started all these crazy events that lead to the current tournament. If not for him then Goku and Piccolo's power at the most would be 500 now and earth alongside universe 7 would've been destroyed without anyone knowing why or how.

[TysonWine]

I think people don't really take into consideration the mortal level of the Universe that that are taking part taking part in the Tournament Of Power. They a below the acceptable standard, meaning that the Kaioshin and Hakaishin don't do a good job of overseeing their universe. The type of fighters that were recruited by the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other Universe really reflect why their mortal rating isn't good enough.

This is the way I see it. The universes are below mortal level which means the Gods weren't doing their jobs right. It makes sense that they would be ill-prepared for a tournament that takes place within 48 hours. It's possible that the universes have stronger warriors that their Gods didnt know about. This almost needs to be necessary for Super to continue post tournament by the way.

Let's not forget, the only reason Beerus knows Goku is because of a dream he had. That doesn't happen and who does Beerus pick for U7? As the God of a universe with the second lowest mortal level, Beerus got lucky to have these fighters on his team. He didn't recruit anyone, Goku did. An extremely strong individual is likely to have experienced things and encountered people of similar strength that played a part in helping them reach that level. Beerus had Goku. Clown God had Toppo. Through Goku you get the Z-fighters. Through Toppo you get the Pride Troopers. Every God didn't have a Goku or Toppo on stand by. We know Goku and Toppo are being groomed to be Gods of Destruction. That explains their God level power, and shows that at the very least, U7 and U11 were in some way planning for the future. This little bit of planning put them in a much better position to win a survival battle between universes.

[DragonBallFoodie]

It's a combination of Meta and In-Universe situations.

Meta - It's a DB characteristic that only a few characters in a bloody multiverse will get a spotlight, which includes depth and progression.

In-Universe - From what I can see, the fighters appear to be heroic characters (Pride Troopers, Kamikaze Fireballs) or just really good warriors. Universe 7 is a dysfunctional team (a bunch of active/former villains who are putting their brawn and scheming to use), whose unconventional approach may give them an advantage.

[Lord Beerus]

I think people don't really take into consideration the mortal level of the universes that that are taking part in the Tournament Of Power. They are below the acceptable standard, meaning that the Kaioshin and Hakaishin don't do a good job of overseeing their universe. The type of fighters that were recruited by the Hakaishin and Kaioshin of the other universes really reflect why their mortal rating isn't good enough.

This is the way I see it. The universes are below mortal level which means the Gods weren't doing their jobs right. It makes sense that they would be ill-prepared for a tournament that takes place within 48 hours. It's possible that the universes have stronger warriors that their Gods didnt know about. This almost needs to be necessary for Super to continue post tournament by the way.

Let's not forget, the only reason Beerus knows Goku is because of a dream he had. That doesn't happen and who does Beerus pick for U7? As the God of a universe with the second lowest mortal level, Beerus got lucky to have these fighters on his team. He didn't recruit anyone, Goku did. An extremely strong individual is likely to have experienced things and encountered people of similar strength that played a part in helping them reach that level. Beerus had Goku. Clown God had Toppo. Through Goku you get the Z-fighters. Through Toppo you get the Pride Troopers. Every God didn't have a Goku or Toppo on stand by. We know Goku and Toppo are being groomed to be Gods of Destruction. That explains their God level power, and shows that at the very least, U7 and U11 were in some way planning for the future. This little bit of planning put them in a much better position to win a survival battle between universes.

If there such a thing as a multiverse lottery existed, Universe 7 definitely won it. They've went so many major conflicts and it's only through sheer good luck that universe wasn't destroyed and they managed to get more powerful in the process. They've had a hell of a lot of luck and good favors bestowed upon them from people in high places to get them where they are right now. Just imagine if Krillin killed Vegeta in the Saiyan arc or Freeza never heard of Namek. Could imagine how different shit would turn out? It's fucking miracle that main cast are as strong as they are when you think about.