PsionicWarrior wrote:I just don't want to keep derailing the thread but you leave me no choice, what is canon is what comes from the author.
Okay, you have not read a single post I wrote.
NO, what is canonical does NOT automatically come from the author. That is a baseless claim of yours and nothing else. George Lucas was one of multiple authors of Star Wars and was able to decide about the status of canonicity. He is still an author of episode 1-6 but has no longer any creative power over the franchise meaning he does not have the power to decide about ep. 1-6. That does not mean Disney will change it but he simply has no creative license over that anymore and can be considered glad when he gets the position of giving advice because he is respected for his past work. What is canonical comes from an official license holder who NORMALLY happens to be the original author or an author that works for an official license holder. That is how it is and that is why works of authors are normally canonical. Just because Toriyama-san invented Dragon Ball it does not automatically make it canonical because when I invent something it can still from the very beginning or later on be declared as non-canonical even though I wrote it. An author writing something does not make things undeniably canonical. It is about the rights and that's that. Toriyama-san's involvement in relevant Dragon Ball-related stuff comes from Toei and Shueisha's (two right holders when it comes to either animated media and/or overall Dragon Ball) knowledge that people will buy and consume things easier when it comes from the original author as well as the fact that Toriyama-san deliberately changed Kami to Kami instead of just checking it and this did lead to incredibly well reception box office-wise as well as to Fukkatsu no F. So what exactly did I leave you no choice for? You have provided no factual information so far. Toriyama-san is involved in the franchise and his work is well respected by the other license holders. And that's it. Canonicity is still not automatically decided and just alone by the original author. This may shock you know but Dragon Ball Super's bullet points are nothing but exactly that. A barebones script. That is not even close to being comparable to what the writers in the show actually have to write then. That means Toriyama-san is to be respected for that bullet points script but does that mean you do not respect those who write the actual story? And believe me, there is a major difference in writing a full story and a bullet points script. I know what I am talking about. Anyways, I am drifting off here. Toriyama-san is not the sole owner and is technically not the only one who can decide. He is simply respected enough because of his work and because it sells better that way. But that's exactly the next point: That happens only because the other license holders want it that way. If there is no case of "official licenses" or anything because it is not an official product then of course there is only the case of intellectual property but as you can see, even that is ultimately pinned down to one thing: Property again.
PsionicWarrior wrote:IToriyama's contributions to GT cannot be canon as they are too minor and that show is a completely separate entity from DB, DBZ, and DBS.
Dragon Ball GT does not need Toriyama-san to be declared as canonical. That is what you do not understand.
You can say GT is part of the franchise as a whole because there is 64 episodes but it remains a fan-fiction.
You do not understand what fan-fiction is. "Fan-fiction" is inofficial work written by a fan and that's it. Dragon Ball GT was written by Aya Matsui, an official employee of Toei Animation. Even if - let's just say that for a moment - Dragon Ball GT would be non-canonical it would not equate to being fan-fiction.
PsionicWarrior wrote:I know some people like to think it's all about the ownership of the rights but there is law on one side and common sense on the other cheers lol
No, there is no "one side and the other". Common sense would be to include everything relevant to actually understand what it is about and not ignore that stuff. If Toriyama-san would suddenly sell his entirety of Dragon Ball and write a Dragon Ball story after that it would be canonical to Dragon Ball for you but that is exactly what would not be the case. Those who own it would have the power to say "well, it is written by a man who is well respected and who knows what he is talking about so let's make it a thing".