Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Jackalope89]

If you are not a Bardock fan you obviously won't see the big deal, but this is just a common thing. If they start taking badass moments away from your favorite character, you won't like and you'll understand the big deal here for Bardock.

Imagine if they take the Father-Son Kamehameha, the beginning of Ultimate Gohan and Super Buu fight and other moments away from Gohan, his fans won't like at all. Imagine if they take various badass moments away from Vegeta and Goku, their fans won't like at all.

It's the case here with Bardock. His stand is his glorious moment and cannot be denied unless for a greater and even better purpose, which I highly doubt it would be the case. If Bardock just "dies" while in the planet without even trying to stand against Freeza, you're just stripping the character out of his most defining and badass moment. And since it's the only one Bardock has on-screen, that just makes things worse.

Except, his "glorious moment" didn't mean anything. Freeza was going to blow up the planet anyway. The only difference is that Bardock ate the Supernova first in the old special.

[Grimlock]

Except, his "glorious moment" didn't mean anything. Freeza was going to blow up the planet anyway. The only difference is that Bardock ate the Supernova first in the old special.

There's no "except" here, the fact that it culminated in "nothing" doesn't mean it wasn't his glorious moment. It was indeed a great moment for Bardock's character.

You people seem to have this terrible idea that if a character is weak, they're worthless. If a character fails, they've got nothing. Please get over this primitive idea, folks. If you failed a test, it doesn't mean you are a dumb or something. Open your mind.

If Bardock just stays in the planet, it will be worse than him failing. In the latter, he at least tried and tried like a badass character that he indeed is.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

See but this is just you assuming. Nothing outrightt proves that Toei is purposely hiding the rebellion. Also, even besides the rebellion, people still have problems with Bardock’s character

Not so assuming, that's just how marketing works

If you are not a Bardock fan you obviously won't see the big deal, but this is just a common thing. If they start taking badass moments away from your favorite character, you won't like and you'll understand the big deal here for Bardock.

Imagine if they take the Father-Son Kamehameha, the beginning of Ultimate Gohan and Super Buu fight and other moments away from Gohan, his fans won't like at all. Imagine if they take various badass moments away from Vegeta and Goku, their fans won't like at all.

It's the case here with Bardock. His stand is his glorious moment and cannot be denied unless for a greater and even better purpose, which I highly doubt it would be the case. If Bardock just "dies" while in the planet without even trying to stand against Freeza, you're just stripping the character out of his most defining and badass moment. And since it's the only one Bardock has on-screen, that just makes things worse.

I'm a Bardock fan and I don't see any problem with Bardock Minus, rather I'm glad on this new leap. I like the TV Special but it was clear from me from the get go even during the 90's that it was not Toriyama vision. So I always considered that at a possible event.

What I like about this new leap is how they portray Saiyan in a less manichean and that's what I like about this new Dragon Ball the bridge between good and evil becomes thiner (Like the case of Zamasu for exemple).

[Shaddy]

It's more like Bardock has a lot more to him than simply dying for nothing, and saying that's the only thing that "defines" him diminishes the work that the rest of the special put into establishing his personality, and it'd be outright insulting to just shove it into Minus's story like that suddenly makes his character okay. It doesn't. Minus barely develops anything about the guy.

Also "well you just hate him cause he's weak" and "you're not a true Bardock fan so you won't get it" are some of the worst takes.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

It's more like Bardock has a lot more to him than simply dying for nothing, and saying that's the only thing that "defines" him diminishes the work that the rest of the special put into establishing his personality, and it'd be outright insulting to just shove it into Minus's story like that suddenly makes his character okay. It doesn't. Minus barely develops anything about the guy.

Also "well you just hate him cause he's weak" and "you're not a true Bardock fan so you won't get it" are some of the worst takes.

Indeed.

The original TV special gave us an atypical protagonist who WASN'T portrayed in a sympathetic light and still had to come to grips with the reality that Freeza wants to wipe out his entire race, even as they fail to heed his warnings. He then goes for a desperate last assault, only to be completely obliterated by Freeza's immense power. His only finds solace in knowing that his runt of a son, this useless baby with a low power level, will grow up to be the one to defeat Freeza.

It's not JUST the events themselves; it's how they were executed. There's a lot more emotional tension and high action, the kind that gets you invested into the character; it's kind of Toei's specialty compared to Toriyama and Toyotaro. Hopefully, that will translate to Toriyama's new vision of the character with Toei being the the primary production force.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Vic will be at MCM London end of the month, UK release surely has to be announced here. Anime doesn't have a hard time getting into cinemas now so I don't know what the heck Toei Europe are doing & why it's taking this long.

[Grimlock]

II like the TV Special but it was clear from me from the get go even during the 90's that it was not Toriyama vision. So I always considered that at a possible event.

I don't know how it was clear since Toriyama himself took the time to add two panels in the manga and drew things exactly as seen in the TV Special.

[Jackalope89]

II like the TV Special but it was clear from me from the get go even during the 90's that it was not Toriyama vision. So I always considered that at a possible event.

I don't know how it was clear since Toriyama himself took the time to add two panels in the manga and drew things exactly as seen in the TV Special.

2 panels, but nothing otherwise leading up to it. Just, "Oh look, Goku looks like that nobody from a while back. Whatever."

Nothing on Bardock's bandana. His squad. His family life. Fighting Dodoria. Or anything. Just two panels at a time when Toriyama was probably geeking out over it before going back over it and saying, "You know what, while I like this part, I would have done THIS part differently."

As the case happens for things like Western comic books. All the time (a close counterpart).

You want an example? In DC Comics, rather than Krypton's core being unstable from mining and what not, its now been retconned to having been destroyed by a genocidal maniac that looks like a knockoff of Doomsday.

[PFM18]

It's more like Bardock has a lot more to him than simply dying for nothing, and saying that's the only thing that "defines" him diminishes the work that the rest of the special put into establishing his personality, and it'd be outright insulting to just shove it into Minus's story like that suddenly makes his character okay. It doesn't. Minus barely develops anything about the guy.

To be fair, Minus was also very short and the movie could just expand Minus to give him more personality.

[TheRed259]

DragonBall Super: Broly in Spain (Castilian Spanish language):
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[BlueBasilisk]

2 panels, but nothing otherwise leading up to it. Just, "Oh look, Goku looks like that nobody from a while back. Whatever."

Nothing on Bardock's bandana. His squad. His family life. Fighting Dodoria. Or anything. Just two panels at a time when Toriyama was probably geeking out over it before going back over it and saying, "You know what, while I like this part, I would have done THIS part differently."

As the case happens for things like Western comic books. All the time (a close counterpart).

You want an example? In DC Comics, rather than Krypton's core being unstable from mining and what not, its now been retconned to having been destroyed by a genocidal maniac that looks like a knockoff of Doomsday.

The Bardock special has some inconsistencies with the manga anyway. The biggest one being Frieza saying he fought and defeated King Vegeta when he attacked the planet, which isn't depicted or suggested anywhere in the Bardock special. Understandable since that chapter and the Bardock special were apparently released a day apart. Episode 78 of the original anime does show this happening but the chain of events in that episode are also completely at odds with the Bardock special.

To a lesser extent there's this panel:

Spoiler:

It's clear what scene that's referencing but neither of the poses match the characters in said scene.

[Grimlock]

2 panels, but nothing otherwise leading up to it. Just, "Oh look, Goku looks like that nobody from a while back. Whatever."

No, it is "look, Goku looks like that Saiyan who stood against Freeza until the very last moment".

Nothing on Bardock's bandana. His squad. His family life. Fighting Dodoria. Or anything. Just two panels at a time when Toriyama was probably geeking out over it before going back over it and saying, "You know what, while I like this part, I would have done THIS part differently."

Yes, it's common knowledge that Toriyama would have done things differently. But Bardock's stand, from what everyone can tell from the panel, represents the same scene seen in the TV Special. Anyway, how Bardock rebels against Freeza is not the issue here, if Toriyama does his own way then that's fine. The problem would be if there wasn't any rebellion at all.

[Mister_Popo]

Vic will be at MCM London end of the month, UK release surely has to be announced here. Anime doesn't have a hard time getting into cinemas now so I don't know what the heck Toei Europe are doing & why it's taking this long.

Maybe they want to announce the release dates for all European countries at once, but they're still negotiating with some distributors.
The movies has to be dubbed in many languages as well, which could take different time schedules.

But we're waiting a pretty long time since the US release was announced, yes.

[Shaddy]

Actually the problem is whether they make a good film or not. Whether you have an arbitrary repitition of events that don't actually matter is irrelevant to whether a character and story are written and paced properly.

To be fair, Minus was also very short and the movie could just expand Minus to give him more personality.

I'm talking about the current state of the character here. I fully believe that this movie will expand on Minus, but as it stands Minus isn't exactly A+ material to adapt and they're gonna have a lot of work to do. Like a lot of things in this movie, it's all based in the execution.

[Mewzard]

No, it is "look, Goku looks like that Saiyan who stood against Freeza until the very last moment".

Yes, it's common knowledge that Toriyama would have done things differently. But Bardock's stand, from what everyone can tell from the panel, represents the same scene seen in the TV Special. Anyway, how Bardock rebels against Freeza is not the issue here, if Toriyama does his own way then that's fine. The problem would be if there wasn't any rebellion at all.

That's the main thing. "If"

Some posters have acted like not seeing that in the trailer is a confirmation it didn't happen. We never saw Toriyama's take on those events in Minus because that's not what the focus of Minus was. This movie has already shown us more than Minus given we see Freeza attack Planet Vegeta. We'll probably have to wait until the movie is out to know for sure what Toriyama's going to do with Bardock's final moments.

[Grimlock]

That's the main thing. "If"

Some posters have acted like not seeing that in the trailer is a confirmation it didn't happen. We never saw Toriyama's take on those events in Minus because that's not what the focus of Minus was. This movie has already shown us more than Minus given we see Freeza attack Planet Vegeta. We'll probably have to wait until the movie is out to know for sure what Toriyama's going to do with Bardock's final moments.

Like I mentioned earlier, we shouldn't have to worry this much if things were handled by reliable people. It's an "if" issue, whether something will happen or not, when it should definitely happen. It's also a situation that at the end of the day, I'll come out as really happy or extremely sad. I really don't want to experiece the latter anymore, I'm tired of it since 2014.

[AnimeNation101]

And as someone who called Gogeta since the beginning, he isn’t really a surprise either.

That is not an impressive prediction since everyone sort of knew with the Movie rereleases that Gogeta may be part of it. The movie villain being Broli wasn't difficult either to predict

You must have joined this community after Broly was announced because

1. The only people to predict the villain was Broly were Broly fanboys. Db has never done reboots and Toriyama has never taken a movie character and used them in his own story. And with Kale being introduced, people thought that was Toei’s Way of getting Broly in the “canon” and that was it. So no, 90 percent thought it was a new character,

2. Same with Gogeta. Me and probably a small few probably saw the 3 movies/specials and formed the crackpot theory that the movie would have Bardock, Gogeta, and something Broly related (whether it was actually Broly or the LSSJ form which was my guess)

Both were highly unpredictable, Broly more than Gogeta. So yeah, I'm proud that i was one of the first.

[CTAkuma]

And as someone who called Gogeta since the beginning, he isn’t really a surprise either.

That is not an impressive prediction since everyone sort of knew with the Movie rereleases that Gogeta may be part of it. The movie villain being Broli wasn't difficult either to predict

You must have joined this community after Broly was announced because

1. The only people to predict the villain was Broly were Broly fanboys. Db has never done reboots and Toriyama has never taken a movie character and used them in his own story. And with Kale being introduced, people thought that was Toei’s Way of getting Broly in the “canon” and that was it. So no, 90 percent thought it was a new character,

2. Same with Gogeta. Me and probably a small few probably saw the 3 movies/specials and formed the crackpot theory that the movie would have Bardock, Gogeta, and something Broly related (whether it was actually Broly or the LSSJ form which was my guess)

Both were highly unpredictable, Broly more than Gogeta. So yeah, I'm proud that i was one of the first.

Shaggy hair, very muscular, cloth around waist, green aura, first DLC character in FighterZ, first big enemy you fight in Legends. No it wasn't unpredictable, people were just over their heads over that Yamoshi crap, you didn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

For Gogeta its the movie rereleases and the donut merch with Goku and Vegeta fusing, i admit Gogeta may have been more difficult to predict but for Broly all the hints were there

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Madman dropped the second trailer on their YouTube channel. Looks like Australia and New Zealand will be getting the film on the 24th of January. Damn it, that’s a whole week after it comes out in North America. I hope they at least do an Australian premiere in December or early January.

EDIT: Here's the official Australian website for the film: madmanfilms.com.au/dragon-ball-super-broly/

[Noah]

"I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them" - Akira Toriyama

"Dragon Ball Super is a complete continuation of the Majin Boo story arc." - Akira Toriyama

The first statement was refering to the manga only and not even directly stating a main continuity of any source, the second one was to just promote the new animated series, also not related to a canon.

Also please, mate... You're here has been a long time to not know how to edit your posts to avoid quoting people unnecessarily. Just keep the part I mentioned you and cut the rest, it's quite easy.

Hope you know that his original color in the manga was in fact pink

Really? Could you show me?

I mean, changing the story Is one thing but can't Toriyama just not keep the same designs for his characters? It only adds to further frustration lol

When did Toriyama ever change Freeza's design and color scheme? It was the Toei that changed it. And now, for the first time ever, they are staying true to Toriyama's.

Then tell us, how's that is supposed to be true to Toriyama's:

Spoiler:

Toriyama has retconned the beginning of the story, and more elements or story elements this year than the past 10. If he can change the beginning he can change the ending. Just because he trains or meets Oob doesn’t mean it’ll be at a tourney or anything. Not that I think the death of Beerus would be a good thing for toy sells. He is chanhing things he didn’t have too, I doubt he’d have very little attatchment to the ending. Even if it changes, they will all be alive.

Don't be saying silly things. I don't see any reason for Toriyama to retcon the ending of his original work, he might be a guy that doesn't cares about continuity, but I don't believe he would be willing to drastic change things he drawed decades ago.