Nokra wrote:Why do people care SO much about "canon"? Just enjoy what you like and ignore what you don't like. Why is that so hard?
That's entirely my point: I mean in the end it doesn't matter how many next stories will happen on this series, the original manga is a completed work that was finished 23 years ago, it remains untouchable to this day and nothing will change that.
So people can pretty much stick with it and ignore everything else or consider Super/GT was official sequels, it really doesn't matter at all.
I just don't feel the need of people misinterpreting information here that this franchise has a canon when we know it doesn't.
Noah wrote:To this day, we have no established timeline according with the events of the past and current stories.
Can't tell if you're being serious or trolling because I believe GT was considered a side story and the movies were some other thing entirely separate. This site and DB guide books on japanese auction sites have timeline books I think. Not sure about current timeline though.
My friend, just because something is declared a side-story not exactly means non canon, we all know that GT, movies and everything else after are not attached with the original 42 volumes. Also read my post again, I meant a timeline considering all the current events of the franchise, that's including Super.
I could go on this side-story debate, but Kamiccolo9
Kamiccolo9 wrote:First off, the problem of dealing in absolutes. When making an absolute your argument, all it requires is one contradiction to make the entire argument fall apart. Saying that GT is a side story, and because it is a side story, it is not canon, is making the assertion that side stories are, as a whole, not canon.
As a rebuttal to this, I present my evidence. All of the side stories I listed above are considered canon to their respective franchises. Therefore, saying that "GT cannot be canon because it is a side story" is faulty logic as, by their nature, side stories are not inherently non-canon to their respective franchises.
Second, there is the argument that Toriyama called GT a side story because he didn't like it, and that this somehow makes it non-canon.
Well, firstly, Toriyama's likes and dislikes don't really matter when determining canonicity, as he is not the sole rights holder. Second, being labeled a side story is not, and has never been, a sign of disdain for something. Third, he refers to it as a "Grand" side story, which doesn't really sound like an admonition against it.
So, in short, GT being a side story does not make it "not canon," nor does it mean that Toriyama dislikes the series. There are plenty of other arguments to make against GT's canonicity (as it stands in Dragon Ball), but this is not one of them.
Also you cannot be serious, to be using an english banner as a proof to your argument. We don't even know if that was (proper) translated from japanese.
The banner only states that the manga is a sequel to Toriyama's story, just like he said that Super (anime) would be after the Majin Boo conflict. Still nothing to do with canocity.