PFM18 wrote: miguelnuva1 wrote:
Fusion never had an official multiplier, but it did have a benchmark, since Goku says that not even Vegetto would be enough to deal with Beerus and that SSG was a power level he never knew it was possible, so base form Gogeta fighting Broly better than two SSB's, yeah...
Goku and Vegeta's fusion pre ssjg could get no where near Beerus. Their post TOP fusion can exceed it because they have grown so much stronger.
Goku fir example goes from terrified of Super Buu as a ssj2 to fodderzing ssj3 gotenks in the middle of super.
It doesn't seem to have an official multiplier at all. We have, every single time, seen that the Base of the fusion is stronger than the fusees in their strongest form individually. Examples include:
Base Vegetto>SSJ3 Goku>SSJ2 Vegeta(Per Daizenshuu)
Base Kefla>BSSJ Kale>SSJ2 Caulifla
Base Gotenks>SSJ Trunks>SSJ Goten
manga Future Trunks arc Base Vegetto>SSB Goku/Vegeta
Base Gogeta>SSB Goku/Vegeta is consistent with everything we've seen on the matter.
But yeah Also, Base Goku at this point makes Super Buu look like a fly in his Base form at this point. He completely fodderized SSJ3 Gotenks in Base and he has gotten far stronger since that point.
Thank god that somebody said it.
Every fusion we’ve seen has been stronger than the fusees strongest forms whenever we’ve seen the fusion fight in their base form. At this stage it isn’t an inconsistency, but more a case of people not paying enough attention to how the fusion has been shown to truly work. No incostintency here at all, so let’s not throw away the line from BoG which clearly states that Vegetto wasn’t enough against Beerus, even when he was suppressed, and Goku couldn’t believe power like SSJG could exist even when he had thought about using fusion prior, as it doesn’t actually contradict anything shown.
Also there’s the also the explanation that the God multiplier isn’t the same post BoG if this movie’s following the massive increase Goku and Vegeta received in their base forms after becoming SSJG in the movies, and anime. As that power after unlocking SSJG is down to them retaining some of the SSJG power whilst still in base.
To just throw some numbers out there it would look like this. By the way don’t think about this much, these numbers are just to show that SSJG multiplier doesn’t change with Gokus initial base increase as that increase is due to ‘taking’ a little bit of the power of SSJG.
BoG Base Goku = 1
BoG SSJG = 1,000,000
BoG Base Goku (Post SSJG) = 1000
BoG SSJG (Post SSJG) = 1,000,000