Sorry for the late reply! Our plane just landed and we have a few minutes before our next flight so I can try to answer some of these.
Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Hey OmegaRockman, I have a spoiler question for you.
Spoiler:
It was said by BrolyKale that Paragus got rid of Broly's tail because he was too out of control in his Oozaru form. Is that actually in the movie?
Spoiler:
Yes, that line is in the movie!
Champa The Destroyer wrote:I have two questions for people that have seen the movie, I dont care about spoilers, I'm gonna spoil the film for myself anyway.
1. How does this film rank among other Dragon Ball films? Is it Battle of Gods level, or around Bio-Broly level? (They're usually considered the best and worst films, respectively).
2. How good is the Broly character himself in this film? I mean, almost anything would be better than old Broly, but how does he compare to other characters? Is he as well written as Zamasu or Freeza, or is he as badly written as Fat Boo?
That first question doesn't require spoilers so I'll leave it untagged. I'd rank the film just under Battle of Gods (my favorite DB film) in terms of personal enjoyment. The other films are just kind of mindless fun for me, but BoG went out of its way to have a more involved story. This film does the same to a certain extent, though it is fair to say that it loses some of that story and character driven nature once it gets into the spectacle. But it's AMAZING spectacle, so I'mnot complaining.
To answer your second question...
Spoiler:
Broly is absolutely great in this film. He'said a major reason why the film'school story works - he's a genuinely sympathetic character, and a lot of that comes from his actually kinda complex relationship with his father. He's basically a victim of abuse, yet he still loves his dad to the point that his death is the catalyst for his initial transformation. Lemo and Cheelye are also great since they're the first people in Broly's life that actually give a damp about him outside of his strength. I also kinda love Broly's Tarzan-like nature, kinda curious and unaware of the world around him. His story about his monster friend also got me in the feels. I don't know if I'd say this Broly is as well-developed as Zamasu or Freeza, but they had a lot more time due to having entire arcs devoted to them. Still, this Broly certainly works for this movie, and I'm actually happy things turned out all right for him in the end.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Spoiler:
I have two questions to ask about Dragon Ball Super: Broly. One is about the portrayal of Lady Gine in the actual film itself and another is about the changes this canon version of Gogeta has in comparison to his noncanon counterparts of Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn and Dragon Ball GT. How does the mother of Son Goku behave in the movie, like is she even more pure of heart than Son Pan from Dragon Ball Z? And what about the likes of Gogeta, does the Fusion Dance Warrior act similar to Vegito or Gotenks? Also does Gogeta victimize Broly: BR from the start?
Spoiler:
Gine is portrayed as kind, loving mother type, so yeah, I'd say she's pure. At the same time, she isn't afraid to call out Bardock on his hunch about Planet Vegeta, so she isn't super-passive, either.
As for Gogeta, he definitely has a bit of Gotenks in him. He spends a few moments trying to figure out a "cool" name, annoying Piccolo due to wasting time. He also has a bit of Vegetto, though, due to his kind of nonchalant coolness as he fights. He doesn't totally dominate Broly from the start, but as it rages on he starts wearing him down. I have been flying in an airplane all day, though, so my brain is fried and I may be misremembering the minutia there. When it comes to that section of the film, I mainly remember how gorgeous everything looked!
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OmegaRockman wrote:Sorry for the late reply! Our plane just landed and we have a few minutes before our next flight so I can try to answer some of these.
Dragon Ball Gus wrote:Hey OmegaRockman, I have a spoiler question for you.
Spoiler:
It was said by BrolyKale that Paragus got rid of Broly's tail because he was too out of control in his Oozaru form. Is that actually in the movie?
Spoiler:
Yes, that line is in the movie!
Champa The Destroyer wrote:I have two questions for people that have seen the movie, I dont care about spoilers, I'm gonna spoil the film for myself anyway.
1. How does this film rank among other Dragon Ball films? Is it Battle of Gods level, or around Bio-Broly level? (They're usually considered the best and worst films, respectively).
2. How good is the Broly character himself in this film? I mean, almost anything would be better than old Broly, but how does he compare to other characters? Is he as well written as Zamasu or Freeza, or is he as badly written as Fat Boo?
That first question doesn't require spoilers so I'll leave it untagged. I'd rank the film just under Battle of Gods (my favorite DB film) in terms of personal enjoyment. The other films are just kind of mindless fun for me, but BoG went out of its way to have a more involved story. This film does the same to a certain extent, though it is fair to say that it loses some of that story and character driven nature once it gets into the spectacle. But it's AMAZING spectacle, so I'mnot complaining.
To answer your second question...
Spoiler:
Broly is absolutely great in this film. He'said a major reason why the film'school story works - he's a genuinely sympathetic character, and a lot of that comes from his actually kinda complex relationship with his father. He's basically a victim of abuse, yet he still loves his dad to the point that his death is the catalyst for his initial transformation. Lemo and Cheelye are also great since they're the first people in Broly's life that actually give a damp about him outside of his strength. I also kinda love Broly's Tarzan-like nature, kinda curious and unaware of the world around him. His story about his monster friend also got me in the feels. I don't know if I'd say this Broly is as well-developed as Zamasu or Freeza, but they had a lot more time due to having entire arcs devoted to them. Still, this Broly certainly works for this movie, and I'm actually happy things turned out all right for him in the end.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Spoiler:
I have two questions to ask about Dragon Ball Super: Broly. One is about the portrayal of Lady Gine in the actual film itself and another is about the changes this canon version of Gogeta has in comparison to his noncanon counterparts of Dragon Ball Z: Fusion Reborn and Dragon Ball GT. How does the mother of Son Goku behave in the movie, like is she even more pure of heart than Son Pan from Dragon Ball Z? And what about the likes of Gogeta, does the Fusion Dance Warrior act similar to Vegito or Gotenks? Also does Gogeta victimize Broly: BR from the start?
Spoiler:
Gine is portrayed as kind, loving mother type, so yeah, I'd say she's pure. At the same time, she isn't afraid to call out Bardock on his hunch about Planet Vegeta, so she isn't super-passive, either.
As for Gogeta, he definitely has a bit of Gotenks in him. He spends a few moments trying to figure out a "cool" name, annoying Piccolo due to wasting time. He also has a bit of Vegetto, though, due to his kind of nonchalant coolness as he fights. He doesn't totally dominate Broly from the start, but as it rages on he starts wearing him down. I have been flying in an airplane all day, though, so my brain is fried and I may be misremembering the minutia there. When it comes to that section of the film, I mainly remember how gorgeous everything looked!
No worries, you replied quite quickly in my case, and also thank you for doing so, OmegaRockman.
Hulk10 wrote:I wish I could get some evidence to support my view that the Ikari form is not necessary to achieve Super Saiyan C Type/Super Saiyan Type C.
You Can't, buddy! I would say that Ikari is the "core" and the preliminary stage of SS C Type and Full Power SSJ. In Ikari we can clearly see Broly' seize growing gradually, and also that "green" aura of him started to emit from him after entering Ikari mode. This means that the capacity to "use Oozaru power in Human form" is what makes Broly a "mutant" among Saiyans as king Vegeta described him.
No his unique forms and amplified Saiyan abilities are what make him a mutant. Also if it were necessary to have Ikari to reach SS C Type then Kale would have had it too, regardless of the evolutionary paths both universes took.
"We became like friends, we became like good friends." Broly to Cheelai and Lemo about his fur pelt.
I expect it to reduce, but that is quite a first impression.
"Don't take pleasure in destruction!" / "I will not let you destroy my world!"
A true hero goes beyond not the limits of power, but the limits that divide countries and people.
For those that have seen the movie, how did you see it before it was released?
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Does Freeza even see Bardock once? Bardock fires his blast once Freeza had fired his and it was already close to hitting the planet. It seems to me like Freeza never had a chance to see Bardock for himself and it seems like Bardock never actually rebelled, but more or less just tried a last-ditch effort to save everyone at the end.
That scene seems like it had something cut for the theatrical release.
Doctor. wrote:Does Freeza even see Bardock once? Bardock fires his blast once Freeza had fired his and it was already close to hitting the planet. It seems to me like Freeza never had a chance to see Bardock for himself and it seems like Bardock never actually rebelled, but more or less just tried a last-ditch effort to save everyone at the end.
That scene seems like it had something cut for the theatrical release.
Clearly something happened before the moment Freeza comes out and fires at the planet. Bardock is battle-damaged and with others alongside him. A pity that it wasn't explained or expanded upon.
From what I can tell the only enjoyable parts of the movie are when they start fighting.
Everything beforehand are just events that happen with little drama and excitement, as if they just needed to put it in there because the script said so.
The motivation for the struggle of the Dragon Balls is laughable and the movie seems best to be viewed as lighthearted fun with not very serious motivations behind the characters needing to do battle.
It's basically Freeza organizing a play date between his rivals and his new toy, distracting them so he he can get his dumb wish granted.
I wonder if these inconsequential plots are going to be the way to go from now on?
Surely this is just a downtime fun story until we get to a new story, where the universe(s) will be at stake again.
Anination and overall visual spectacle is off the charts though and that's what they are good at, making it all epic and cool and shoehorning in all those transformations, which will have Bandai salivating like a thirsty dog.
Very well done on that front and with the music too!
Even if one slightly prefers the script of BOG, the art and the animation of this movie, which is important as the fight scenes have always been a crucial aspect of DB, are still far superior over BOG. The music is great too and the script as such seems far from bad either although not spectacular (I think it's better than ROF and on pair with BOG). The minor retcons don't seem to undermine the global experience. Definetely seems to be the best DB-movie ever taking into account all aspects.
Having to wait another month for the U.S. release is going to be painful. I've been spoiled on some things, which I don't mind that much, but I'm still purposely avoiding all the super detailed plot summaries that go over every little scene in the script. I should probably duck out of this thread now.
ABED wrote:For those that have seen the movie, how did you see it before it was released?
Isn't it obvious? Everyone on the internet lives in Japan.
Doctor. wrote:Does Freeza even see Bardock once? Bardock fires his blast once Freeza had fired his and it was already close to hitting the planet. It seems to me like Freeza never had a chance to see Bardock for himself and it seems like Bardock never actually rebelled, but more or less just tried a last-ditch effort to save everyone at the end.
That scene seems like it had something cut for the theatrical release.
Clearly something happened before the moment Freeza comes out and fires at the planet. Bardock is battle-damaged and with others alongside him. A pity that it wasn't explained or expanded upon.
Probably something that was cut down to make it down to that hour and a half length. We all know that they had to cut out half of Toriyama's script for this movie, and this is probably where some things were cut.
Obviously there was an altercation, but they didn't show the entire thing apparently.
Marlowe89 wrote:
Having to wait another month for the U.S. release is going to be painful.
Yup. Without a doubt.
Spoiler:
Super carries on much of Dragon Ball and Z's charm in ways that might not immediately be obvious, while also bringing something new to the table. I certainly can't think of any previous arcs like Goku Black, and, for all its problems, the Tournament of Power is possibly the most ambitious storytelling endeavor in series history as far as how its narrative unfolds. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing.
Today marks one year since I created this thread! It went by so fast.
Disappointed about the movie tagline not being what is in the movie but I'm sort of happy about other aspects. We shall see how the movie actually plays out once it is finally released here.
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To those who have seen the movie, can anyone tell me if the soundtrack is good? Does it makes you all squirmy with goosebumps?
That's a yes from me. While not everyone will be down with the wrestling announcer stuff, it transitions into some cool chanting that got me pumped. This film also has some of the best orchestral music Sumitomo has ever put out. It melted my brain in a good way.
ABED wrote:For those that have seen the movie, how did you see it before it was released?
We shall see how the movie actually plays out once it is finally released here.