theTUN wrote:People hate Minus and adore Bardock the Father of Goku. And yes, The Universe 6 Tournament alone is more interesting than Prison Planet, 21, and both XV game's stories combined. It's not because Toriyama was involved, it's because one is good and the others are not. This isn't that hard to understand man. Golden Frieza is incredibly stupid, and it was executed poorly and poorly explained, but it was necessary, because Frieza needed to be at that level of power to be a viable antagonist going forward. It was clumsily done, but it served a point.
Giving basically every Saiyan access to Super Saiyan 3 in Heroes only seems to be done for its own sake, and it's even more absurdly introduced and poorly explained than Golden Frieza, which is actually impressive.
Also like 90% of this forum is people whining about Super Saiyan Blue or whatever. And the fights in Heroes are maybe the most pure example of pointless fights I can think of. What the hell did SSB vs SS4 Goku accomplish?
jeffbr92 wrote:Don't come with that strawman argument with me, I never said Toriyama was flawless in my previous post as I think otherwise: BoG was a good movie with a revised script and RoF was awful being 100% his script.
But is not like Heroes is much great in comparison, I mean what is Heroes? An arcade game only in Japan with a bunch of animated trailers that don't show much besides characters fighting and transformations? Sure it has good concepts, like the Demon World, Makaishins and now that Prison Planet, but is not developed well enough to compare with a main arc, it's shallow.
Champa The Destroyer wrote:.......nobody worships Golden Freeza or God/Blue/Rose. I've seen maybe 3 or 4 people on this entire forum say that they liked the form. Of course people get mad when everyone gets SS3, everyone got mad at everyone getting SS1 in the original manga! I dont know the general opinion on the things you listed (though XV lore is some of my favorite parts of Dragon Ball) but not only do most people express their distaste for more tournaments, but tournaments were made new to stay interesting. I'm sorry if a staple of the series since the beginning hurt you so much.
And what has Dragon Ball Heroes done with those stories so far? Fights. Going by the promotional anime, the episode one had barely any story, and Episode 2 was just a big fight.
While a lot of people just jump on the hate bandwagon of GT, there are a lot of valid criticisms for the series, and Toriyama's name not being in the credits is not one of them. Get off of your imaginary high horse, Heroes is not a gift from God, everyone has their own opinions about Super but just about everything you've said about Super fits Heroes perfectly.
Too many things to reply to for each one of you but I don't feel like doing it now and this is actually off-topic so I will conclude by saying this to all of you:
I will never prefer fights to story. Games are giving me story, content, they are telling something and introducing new stuff, all things that I value the most. The "main series" is not, it is in the safe zone, preventing it from being better. We are in 2018, time has changed and as such everything has to move on to new horizons, but the "main series" is stuck in the past. A single manga chapter that introduced just one good thing that is Gine does not make up for everything else that it lacked; They wasted time and effort in a production for a movie to bring back Freeza (out of all characters that really need to be back), to give him another color and to kill him off at the end of it and that was it; they wasted time and effort to retell the movies (unnecessarily, they could have just started from a new saga); then a tournament with no plot, no meaning at all and the victorious team was obvious (they could at least have made Universe 7 to lose, they would only be moved to Universe 6 and even more possibilities would be available to explore later on); then a real saga with something going on, a story being told. But they had a couple of missed opportunities throughout it and they finished the saga with Trunks living with himself (this is not a cool ending in no way, they could have done anything interesting, different and cool); then another tournament with nothing really going on again, no plot, no meaning, nothing, just fights. They missed some opportunities yet again in this tournament and it ended without explaining stuff, and what is worse, important stuff like what the hell a Yadorat and a Tsufurujin were doing in Universe 2 team if only Universe 6 could have had them, what the angels are and maybe a little bit of story about the Multiverse.
Akira Toriyama introduces interesting concepts like the Makaio/Makaioshins, different dimensions but don't explore them, now that there is a game finally dealing with those, they are not good/interesting? Tournaments are better? Safe zone is where it should be? No, I'm sorry, this is unacceptable. Dragon Ball has sucked a lot from HQs, but when it comes to use a simple and common concept that is alternate dimensions, they are afraid to do so? Future Trunks saga scratched just the surface it through Goku Black's scyther and him saying it could lead to past/future or another dimension but it was just that, nothing really happened, stuck in the safe zone. Then enters XV2 and really delves into what the series left open, and the game is called uninteresting...
Now here we are, 2018, a new movie is being made but even though there are a lot of stuff to work upon, they decide to bring back an old movie villain. I didn't have a good experience last time that someone was brought back in a movie, why would you guys expect me to react positively towards it? Even after its announcement, nothing came out that picked my interest, so how can you expect me to come here and say good things like everyone do? I'm more for story which so far we don't have, all we have is a piece of information that an old movie villain is being brought back, one that I never liked. I cannot act so happy like everyone else...
This is an agree to disagree issue, I've been preferring the games as they have substance while the series does not and no one other than Toriyama himself can change that. I also don't want to force anyone to like/prefer the games, the fact that games are more interesting nowadays is something you should notice by yourselves alone and it would be better if you take the first steps to actually consider giving them a chance. Hopefully this text clarifies everything, my point of view and such. Please don't be offended or bother yourselves by the way I enjoy this franchise these days, I know it's a different and uncommon thing, but it's just how it is. Just how the way I like Dragon Ball is weird, the fact that you guys like more fights and tournaments instead of a good plot/story sound weird to me too, so we are even in that matter. XD But it's understandable and it is fine to me. Hopefully you all accept my oddity and we shall move on.
Shaddy wrote:The answer is it's not true and saying that makes you look like a child who can't accept why people like things.
That kind of antagonistic response is not how things work here, I will ignore this attitude this time, but you may want to drop that from now on if you don't to be reported.
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