Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[Green_Goblin]

What would that argument look like?

I'll put this argument in a logical manner.
All other Frieza Soldiers = no character, just common/expendable lackies with no lines. {value=null}
Appule = We get to see his interactions with Zarbon and Vegeta. {value=something somewhat above 'null'}

Seems like Zarbon himself should count.

It's a discussion about the random Frieza grunts, not the elites who always have fleshed personality and some sort of a biography.

[GodVegetto91]

Do you guys think either Toei or Funimation will release some few minute clips shortly before the release of the movie like they did with Battle of Gods back in 2013?

[Miracles]

I'm so impressed they got Umakoshi! That's really cool!

Who? Is this a late addition?

Character designer on MHA. He's done work going back into the 90's. Prolific animator.
http://animatorscorner.com/staff_profile/1746
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=y ... o_umakoshi

And it's confirmed he is working on this movie?

Hahaha. What does merch have to do with the movie? Just because they're making Gogeta stuff doesn't mean he's in the movie

Also, who cares what the animators say? Just because they're drawing someone doesn't mean it will be in the movie

You guys are reaching.

Nothing is confirmed yet....

Geez, I WAS joking guys. I thought 6 laughing faces was more than obvious. I was taking a jab at Miracles (all in good fun, hope he doesn't take it any other way).

I found it funny. It's all in fun.

[Chuquita]

Who? Is this a late addition?

Character designer on MHA. He's done work going back into the 90's. Prolific animator.
http://animatorscorner.com/staff_profile/1746
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=y ... o_umakoshi

And it's confirmed he is working on this movie?

https://twitter.com/Terez27/status/1040244087717289989 Yup. Terez of Kanzenshuu investigated/discovered it.

[ricky84]

There is no evidence that a current Fusion between Goku and Vegeta boosts more power than Mastered Ultra Instinct. And if it does provide slightly more power, it won’t be enough to compensate for it against Ultra Instinct’s insane striking power and dodging speed.

There is also no evidence that completed UI Goku is stronger than a broky movie fusion. All we know is that UI Goku surpassed the previous fusion Vegito.

There is more evidence pointing towards Ultra Instinct Goku being able to actually WIN in a fight than a SSJ Blue Fusion yes. It’s called reason and logic. And any fan who uses it will come to that same conclusion. MUI Goku absolutely STOMPS Vegito or Gogeta Blue. That is all i’m going to say for now. This discussion is over since it’s off-topic anyway.

If you actually understood how fusion works (as well as reason and logic lmao) you'd know that a Post-ToP SSB Fusion would by default would be much stronger than MUI Goku. Both Goku and Vegeta individually in the middle of the ToP surpassed Black-arc Vegito, so if they fused now the result would by default be WAY stronger then before (as shown in the Prison Planet arc).

Your entire argument boils down to "UI is stronger because I want it to be, stop proving me wrong" lmao.

[ricky84]

I'd just like Gogeta to finish the deal in this movie and not be a gimmick at this point like Vegetto is...

Why exactly is it important that Gogeta wins or "finishes the deal"? People do not like characters because of their win/loss ratio. I would rather Broli be defeated through plot reasons and not another powerup

If win/lose ratios determined popularity then virtually no one in the franchise would be popular since they all take a lot of L's lol.

[ricky84]

There is also no evidence that completed UI Goku is stronger than a broky movie fusion. All we know is that UI Goku surpassed the previous fusion Vegito.

There is more evidence pointing towards Ultra Instinct Goku being able to actually WIN in a fight than a SSJ Blue Fusion yes. It’s called reason and logic. And any fan who uses it will come to that same conclusion. MUI Goku absolutely STOMPS Vegito or Gogeta Blue. That is all i’m going to say for now. This discussion is over since it’s off-topic anyway.

It's a joke, right?

Was Goku SSJ3 stronger than Vegito SSJ? Goku will NEVER be more powerful than Vegito or Gogeta.

Both Goku and Vegeta had already surpassed Black arc Vegito without UI since ep.123 of Super. Hell, base Goku and base Vegeta surpassed Buu arc Vegito after BoG.

[kudo6000]

Even after all these weeks, I still can't believe they not only made another Broly film, but got Toriyama to incorporate him into the official story; something that was heresy back in... well, a few months ago, even.

[CTAkuma]

Even after all these weeks, I still can't believe they not only made another Broly film, but got Toriyama to incorporate him into the official story; something that was heresy back in... well, a few months ago, even.

Not only that but it had Toriyama work on an entire 3 hour script, shows the man has passion for material when he finds it interesting. I want to see those Toriyama Broli concept art designs though

[GodVegetto91]

There is also no evidence that completed UI Goku is stronger than a broky movie fusion. All we know is that UI Goku surpassed the previous fusion Vegito.

There is more evidence pointing towards Ultra Instinct Goku being able to actually WIN in a fight than a SSJ Blue Fusion yes. It’s called reason and logic. And any fan who uses it will come to that same conclusion. MUI Goku absolutely STOMPS Vegito or Gogeta Blue. That is all i’m going to say for now. This discussion is over since it’s off-topic anyway.

If you actually understood how fusion works (as well as reason and logic lmao) you'd know that a Post-ToP SSB Fusion would by default would be much stronger than MUI Goku. Both Goku and Vegeta individually in the middle of the ToP surpassed Black-arc Vegito, so if they fused now the result would by default be WAY stronger then before (as shown in the Prison Planet arc).

Your entire argument boils down to "UI is stronger because I want it to be, stop proving me wrong" lmao.

The same can be said about you. You’re just using head canon by claiming that a current Vegetto would be stronger than MUI Goku without any solid evidence. The truth is, no such statement has ever been made. And pre-existing multipliers for Vegito don’t work either since fusions will just be as strong as the plot requiers. At least Goku has Ultra Instinct. Which is considered to be a peerless form by Whis and even the promotional material that came out when the ToP was still going. Just because Jiren got a few shots in on MUI Goku, does not mean that a hypothetical SSJ Blue Vegito could do the same if he were up against MUI Goku. Jiren was clearly stated to be a being that absolutely cannot lose, no matter what. Even though he did, the point they were trying to make is that Jiren was special. I seriously can’t see MUI Goku losing against Vegito Blue. Keep in mind that Ultra Instinct isn’t just the ability to auto-dodge, it’s also a MASSIVE power increase on top of that.

[Chuquita]

Even after all these weeks, I still can't believe they not only made another Broly film, but got Toriyama to incorporate him into the official story; something that was heresy back in... well, a few months ago, even.

Not only that but it had Toriyama work on an entire 3 hour script, shows the man has passion for material when he finds it interesting. I want to see those Toriyama Broli concept art designs though

The power of MARKETING is just that strong.

I don't dislike the idea of a better executed Brolli, but I hope we find out more about the plot soon. They have all these high name people working on a Brolli movie of all things I want to hope it's not just Movie 8 again. And it might not be, but with very little proof I'm hesitant.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I dunno about you guys, but so far I'm a firm believer of the theory that the new Broly has been genetically modified, like how Dr. Gero modified 17 and 18, thus explaining why he's so freakishly strong by Universe 7 Saiyan standards despite the norm barely putting most Saiyans above Freeza's men.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Not only that but it had Toriyama work on an entire 3 hour script, shows the man has passion for material when he finds it interesting. I want to see those Toriyama Broli concept art designs though

Wasn't the storyboard what ended up being about 3 hours long, not the script?

[CTAkuma]

Not only that but it had Toriyama work on an entire 3 hour script, shows the man has passion for material when he finds it interesting. I want to see those Toriyama Broli concept art designs though

Wasn't the storyboard what ended up being about 3 hours long, not the script?

Right, thanks for correcting me, still impressive for Toriyama though to care that about this movie

[PFM18]

Let's just hopes this will actually be a fight though, i'm sick and tired of last 30 second stomp/oneshots

What 30 second one shots? Lol that never happens in Super. Generally the fights are more even than the other two series.

I dunno about you guys, but so far I'm a firm believer of the theory that the new Broly has been genetically modified, like how Dr. Gero modified 17 and 18, thus explaining why he's so freakishly strong by Universe 7 Saiyan standards despite the norm barely putting most Saiyans above Freeza's men.

The "Universe 7 Saiyans standards" bit is important here because the Universe 6 Saiyans standards make their Universe 7 counterparts look like a joke.

I like the genetically modified part of it. But I don't know if I would be entirely satisfied with it. I'm sure Toriyama could come up with something more creative. I don't know what, but that's why I'm not writing the series

[ricky84]

There is more evidence pointing towards Ultra Instinct Goku being able to actually WIN in a fight than a SSJ Blue Fusion yes. It’s called reason and logic. And any fan who uses it will come to that same conclusion. MUI Goku absolutely STOMPS Vegito or Gogeta Blue. That is all i’m going to say for now. This discussion is over since it’s off-topic anyway.

If you actually understood how fusion works (as well as reason and logic lmao) you'd know that a Post-ToP SSB Fusion would by default would be much stronger than MUI Goku. Both Goku and Vegeta individually in the middle of the ToP surpassed Black-arc Vegito, so if they fused now the result would by default be WAY stronger then before (as shown in the Prison Planet arc).

Your entire argument boils down to "UI is stronger because I want it to be, stop proving me wrong" lmao.

The same can be said about you. You’re just using head canon by claiming that a current Vegetto would be stronger than MUI Goku without any solid evidence. The truth is, no such statement has ever been made. And pre-existing multipliers for Vegito don’t work either since fusions will just be as strong as the plot requiers. At least Goku has Ultra Instinct. Which is considered to be a peerless form by Whis and even the promotional material that came out when the ToP was still going. Just because Jiren got a few shots in on MUI Goku, does not mean that a hypothetical SSJ Blue Vegito could do the same if he were up against MUI Goku. Jiren was clearly stated to be a being that absolutely cannot lose, no matter what. Even though he did, the point they were trying to make is that Jiren was special. I seriously can’t see MUI Goku losing against Vegito Blue. Keep in mind that Ultra Instinct isn’t just the ability to auto-dodge, it’s also a MASSIVE power increase on top of that.

Pure BS lol

1. Feats speak for themselves. SDBH (all versions) clearly show how strong a Post-ToP would be, scaling off of Cumber (who's >> Jiren in just base).

2. The potara multiplier was never retconned (none of the multipliers were). You just don't wanna admit MUI could be topped by a character using a weaker form.

3. "Jiren was clearly stated to be a being that absolutely cannot lose, no matter what", yet he clearly lost, badly lol. You're making the same fallacy that Saitama fanboys do. MUI Goku completely dominated him.

"Even though he did, the point they were trying to make is that Jiren was special.", nearly every single main antagonist in DB were described as that (especially Freeza), yet they all got beaten and surpassed. Jiren is no different.

[PFM18]

1. Feats speak for themselves. SDBH (all versions) clearly show how strong a Post-ToP would be, scaling off of Cumber (who's >> Jiren in just base).

Bruh. You're using Heroes? Seriously?

[ricky84]

I dunno about you guys, but so far I'm a firm believer of the theory that the new Broly has been genetically modified, like how Dr. Gero modified 17 and 18, thus explaining why he's so freakishly strong by Universe 7 Saiyan standards despite the norm barely putting most Saiyans above Freeza's men.

Or maybe he could simply be a legendary being like Yamoshi and the old Broly. Toriyama did say that destiny was involved with Broly, Goku and Vegeta's histories and fight in this film.

[ricky84]

1. Feats speak for themselves. SDBH (all versions) clearly show how strong a Post-ToP would be, scaling off of Cumber (who's >> Jiren in just base).

Bruh. You're using Heroes? Seriously?

Heroes' powerscaling isn't out of control. The Prison Planet characters are based on the DBS characters (they even had their own ToP before the Prison arc).

[CTAkuma]

Let's just hopes this will actually be a fight though, i'm sick and tired of last 30 second stomp/oneshots

What 30 second one shots? Lol that never happens in Super. Generally the fights are more even than the other two series.

Well guess where Gogeta and Broli come from? Now compare how Gogeta stomped Janemba in the last 30 second and Broli getting oneshot by Goku. Also the 4D Broli movie had a Gogeta lookalike (God fusion Goku) do a last minute stomp on Broli.

I can have my doubts