Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[PFM18]

Why is modern dragonball so kid friendly, the story has become more basic, and it looks like the movie is going to be very PG in terms of the violence shown. I need blood, and this movie looks like there is no blood. Why is modern dragon ball getting so soft? UGH.

Are you that guy again?

Blood is not a big deal it is extremely superficial to think it does.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

My guess is that Gokuu finally remembers his parents from before he left Planet Vegeta and their memory will help him slip back into the Secret of Selfishness after Gogeta fails to defeat Broli. This will contrast with Broli, who was raised by his parent and remembers what he was raised to believe: that he was the strongest Saiyan.

Doesn't last scene imply that fight is over and the film is wrapping up?

[mahakaishin1991]

Why is modern dragonball so kid friendly, the story has become more basic, and it looks like the movie is going to be very PG in terms of the violence shown. I need blood, and this movie looks like there is no blood. Why is modern dragon ball getting so soft? UGH.

Are you that guy again?

Blood is not a big deal it is extremely superficial to think it does.

To be totally fair sometimes the fights dont feel as visually engaging because of the lack of serious damage the characters recieve, with exception of people who can regenerate.

The sheer amount of injuries that look severe compared to those that dont is a bit of a gripe I can understand.

Characters would look this beat up and keep fighting looking like this:

but here, they end fights looking like this:

Which fight looks tougher by the visual communication of the damage and hardships the characters went through by what is told? Animation is as much a visual story as it is a written one, and things like this can give the impression that somehow, the fights in Z were harder by nature of the expressed injuries. Super could up its stakes in ways other than blood, like when 18 destroyed Vegeta's arm, but for some reason won't entertain the idea of these kind of body mangling injuries and that hurts the series when much earlier parts of the dragonball story had severe injuries that felt like the stakes were upped. Gohan's ruined arm in that final kamehameha clash with cell, goku's tournament fight with Piccolo junior, Vegeta as mentioned. I think really characters could do with looking like theyve sustained more battle damage or injuries to help.

I don't necessarily think blood is the way to go, but there are ways to make the fights feel more alive by adding injuries that are more several than anime hash line bruises and a black eye for vegeta in the TOP.

[Appers]

While I don't particularly care either way about the exclusion of blood from the series or upcoming film I do agree with the above poster in the sense that it's not as "superficial" of a change as one might believe.

Blood makes injuries look painful, and also serves as a means of humanizing the characters by playing off of our evolutionary reflexes and making us empathize with them. A good example of this is when Vegeta actually did bleed when Hit struck his vitals in the anime. It really sold the idea that his blows were lethal and NOT something that he or Goku could afford to keep taking.

Like I said though, I don't really care either way, and I'm still going to enjoy the movie regardless of whether there's blood or not, but I think it's a bit silly to discount its importance in setting the tone and stakes for past fights in the series.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Goku finally....... realizes that it's time to start looking towards a bright and fruitful career?

[Doctor.]

Goku finally regains his memories?

It's the only thing I can think of that could cause a stir like they're implying.

[HeroR]

Why is modern dragonball so kid friendly, the story has become more basic, and it looks like the movie is going to be very PG in terms of the violence shown. I need blood, and this movie looks like there is no blood. Why is modern dragon ball getting so soft? UGH.

Are you that guy again?

Blood is not a big deal it is extremely superficial to think it does.

To be totally fair sometimes the fights dont feel as visually engaging because of the lack of serious damage the characters recieve, with exception of people who can regenerate.

The sheer amount of injuries that look severe compared to those that dont is a bit of a gripe I can understand.

Characters would look this beat up and keep fighting looking like this:

but here, they end fights looking like this:

Which fight looks tougher by the visual communication of the damage and hardships the characters went through by what is told? Animation is as much a visual story as it is a written one, and things like this can give the impression that somehow, the fights in Z were harder by nature of the expressed injuries. Super could up its stakes in ways other than blood, like when 18 destroyed Vegeta's arm, but for some reason won't entertain the idea of these kind of body mangling injuries and that hurts the series when much earlier parts of the dragonball story had severe injuries that felt like the stakes were upped. Gohan's ruined arm in that final kamehameha clash with cell, goku's tournament fight with Piccolo junior, Vegeta as mentioned. I think really characters could do with looking like theyve sustained more battle damage or injuries to help.

I don't necessarily think blood is the way to go, but there are ways to make the fights feel more alive by adding injuries that are more several than anime hash line bruises and a black eye for vegeta in the TOP.

Honestly, the bottom since the clothes are torn off and Goku specifically has bandages and Vegeta missing a giant chuck of his armor, something not seen in Dragon Ball before, while the above just looks like Vegeta got a gash on his forehead.

A better visual example would be this:

[RecolorSaiyan]

Goku finally kisses Chi-Chi

[AnimeNation101]

My guess is that Gokuu finally remembers his parents from before he left Planet Vegeta and their memory will help him slip back into the Secret of Selfishness after Gogeta fails to defeat Broli. This will contrast with Broli, who was raised by his parent and remembers what he was raised to believe: that he was the strongest Saiyan.

Doesn't last scene imply that fight is over and the film is wrapping up?

This. So i’d Think its either the puts on his Blue gi, he regains his Kakarot memories, he meets his parents somehow, or he finally surpasses Beerus for some reason.

I really hope he doesn’t mean the last scene of the fight because that would most likely meant “Goku finally” goes UI and it ends up being a Goku v Broly final battle even though this movie is advertising the battle as a “Collision of 3 Destinies” with includes Vegeta.

That would also mean Gogeta doesn’t get the W which also sucks

[GT_Goten10]

Hopefully Goku puts finally his Blue Gi it would look awesome especially with MUI

[dbzfan7]

Goku finally...grows as a person XP

[Noah]

Goku finally regains his memories? It's the only thing I can think of that could cause a stir like they're implying.

But won't that make him... Bad? I'm not into Minus, but was Goku there good all along?

[ekrolo2]

Goku finally regains his memories? It's the only thing I can think of that could cause a stir like they're implying.

But won't that make him... Bad? I'm not into Minus, but was Goku there good all along?

No, he fights Gohan when he lands and apparently stayed a troublemaker until he hit his head, that much Minus didn't retcon.

[Doctor.]

Goku finally regains his memories? It's the only thing I can think of that could cause a stir like they're implying.

But won't that make him... Bad? I'm not into Minus, but was Goku there good all along?

No, he fights Gohan when he lands and apparently stayed a troublemaker until he hit his head, that much Minus didn't retcon.

Yeah but troublemaker =/= evil.

Even if he were evil, I doubt 40+ years of being good would change just because he regained his memories. I can see it being used as a plot point for some sappy cringefest scene with Goku realizing the tragedy of his parents and that pushing him into UI as Jacob suggested (or leading into the next story arc, God forbid).

[ekrolo2]

But won't that make him... Bad? I'm not into Minus, but was Goku there good all along?

No, he fights Gohan when he lands and apparently stayed a troublemaker until he hit his head, that much Minus didn't retcon.

Yeah but troublemaker =/= evil.

Even if he were evil, I doubt 40+ years of being good would change just because he regained his memories. I can see it being used as a plot point for some sappy cringefest scene with Goku realizing the tragedy of his parents and that pushing him into UI as Jacob suggested (or leading into the next story arc, God forbid).

Obviously the next arc is this:

[Doctor.]

Obviously the next arc is this:

At least the art is good.

[BlueBasilisk]

Even if Goku got his memories back, there apparently isn't that much to remember and I can't see him caring about it all that much. He's never shown any particular concern about who his real parents are. Goku's what, close to 50? He has his own family and he came to terms with his Saiyan heritage a long time ago.

[ekrolo2]

Even if Goku got his memories back, there apparently isn't that much to remember and I can't see him caring about it all that much. He's never shown any particular concern about who his real parents are. Goku's what, close to 50? He has his own family and he came to terms with his Saiyan heritage a long time ago.

Vegeta should've stopped being a whiny bitch about Goku's superiority to him and that hasn't stopped Toriyama from retconing this away. If he's got a story in mind where Goku has to care about something he never did before, he won't let something like past events stop him.

[Doctor.]

Yeah, I have no doubt that if Toriyama wants to make Goku's past a point of focus for the character in the future, then he'll find a way to do so. I don't think he cares all that much about the integrity of what the character stands for anymore considering Minus wouldn't even be a thing if he did.

[BlueBasilisk]

Even if Goku got his memories back, there apparently isn't that much to remember and I can't see him caring about it all that much. He's never shown any particular concern about who his real parents are. Goku's what, close to 50? He has his own family and he came to terms with his Saiyan heritage a long time ago.

Vegeta should've stopped being a whiny bitch about Goku's superiority to him and that hasn't stopped Toriyama from retconing this away. If he's got a story in mind where Goku has to care about something he never did before, he won't let something like past events stop him.

I really hope that shit about Vegeta desperately trying to catch up to Goku from the early description of the movie is misleading. Vegeta and Goku were both left off in a good place. Vegeta decided on his own not to pursue Ultra Instinct anymore and he wasn't upset by Goku getting it. I don't want to see that snapped back.