Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[PFM18]

He doesn't have any douchey one-liners like he does in the first one. Once he enters his rampage, I don't think he speaks at all but I haven't actually seen the movie yet either. As far as I understand, he at least doesn't talk during his time as a SSJ/LSSJ like he does in Movie 8.

Which is lame, they took the best part of the original character: his sadistic side, making Broly an unstoppable force and just that on his more powerful form is like having another Jiren as the antagonist.

He's an infinitely more nuanced character this way, and this time around it sure as hell isnt lame that his character doesn't revolve around a baby crying.

[FortuneSSJ]

Talking about some spoilers confirmed.

The way King Vegeta tried to get rid of Broly in the original Movie is much more logical. In the new Movie he just orders for Broly to be sent to a dangerous planet expecting he doesn't survive and lets Paragus go after him, instead of trying to get rid of them himself...

Freeza says he's not interested in immortality anymore, because it's not really useful if he still can't do anything. I guess those extra 5 cm will help him a lot in accomplishing his goals ?!

[BrolyKale]

Talking about some spoilers confirmed.

The way King Vegeta tried to get rid of Broly in the original Movie is much more logical. In the new Movie he just orders for Broly to be sent to a dangerous planet expecting he doesn't survive and lets Paragus go after him, instead of trying to get rid of them himself...

Freeza says he's not interested in immortality anymore, because it's not really useful if he still can't do anything. I guess those extra 5 cm will help him a lot in accomplishing his goals ?!

King Vegeta also tells Paragus where he sent Broly, which is weird...

[YamiGoku]

Talking about some spoilers confirmed.

The way King Vegeta tried to get rid of Broly in the original Movie is much more logical. In the new Movie he just orders for Broly to be sent to a dangerous planet expecting he doesn't survive and lets Paragus go after him, instead of trying to get rid of them himself...

Freeza says he's not interested in immortality anymore, because it's not really useful if he still can't do anything. I guess those extra 5 cm will help him a lot in accomplishing his goals ?!

Isn't Paragus his right hand or something like that? he had somewhat of an excuse for sending Broly to another planet, but what is King Vegeta supposed to tell Paragus if he just kills Broly?


sending Broly to planet vampa gives him the chance to try to convince Paragus, if he just killed Broly, Paragus will probably had started a complot to dethrone him.

[Bebi Hatchiyack]

He doesn't have any douchey one-liners like he does in the first one. Once he enters his rampage, I don't think he speaks at all but I haven't actually seen the movie yet either. As far as I understand, he at least doesn't talk during his time as a SSJ/LSSJ like he does in Movie 8.

Which is lame, they took the best part of the original character: his sadistic side, making Broly an unstoppable force and just that on his more powerful form is like having another Jiren as the antagonist.

This kind of vilain can't be developped further, once you know a vilain is a sadistic unstoppable killing spree machine what can you add to this kind of character nothing. Those vilain sucks and are lame, you want a good vilain take Dracula in the Castlevania Netflix series and mostly the games if you think about it this guy lost two woman he loved with passion, and one lost by the hand of humanity burned for witchcraft. This vilain I can relate, losing a cherished wife twice, since fate telling you, you will never be happy and find warmth against a women heart, wrost some scumbag church guys who by their crazy idea of religion kill one of your beloved to follow the book of God, that's can drive you nuts and I understand the rage and evil of Dracula upon mankind.

I can relate with Zamasu because on one hand he is right Mortal human can't stop somehow fighting we are to each other always in confrontation, we go to war, we fight for things that don't matter really. So somehow his idea of zero mortal plan I can relate. Same for Frieza, this guy he is the embodiment of greed something that us all can relate he wants power seize the higher throne for himself and look how he is a scheming cunning bastard, that is a part of us that once in a while when we are grumpy we can relate.

But the bulldozer vilain that kill anything like a berserk nope there is nothing good with this kind of character. Once you develop everything on this kind of character you can't add more. Ok he destroy the universe 7 in its entirety and then what ? Univers 6 but what if he succeed to destroy all 12 Universes then what ? He will remain alone in a destroyed multiverse alone ZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZzz BORING ! Broly in is creation that's a creation of a character for a 6 years school kid. If I were 6 or 12 yeah maybe Evil Broly destroyer of world so edgy cool. But now I need layer I need characterization. I need vilain with ambition. I find nothing ambitious toward Broly from movie 8/10.

That's why and Toriyama knew well that Broly needed to be rebooted for being easier to integrate into his universe and developped upon. His Hulk/Tarzan characterization are perfect for Broly.

If you wanted Broly to be vilain for then to be killed and send right into hell, well then you have the Movie 8 and 10 for that.

Talking about some spoilers confirmed.

The way King Vegeta tried to get rid of Broly in the original Movie is much more logical. In the new Movie he just orders for Broly to be sent to a dangerous planet expecting he doesn't survive and lets Paragus go after him, instead of trying to get rid of them himself...

Freeza says he's not interested in immortality anymore, because it's not really useful if he still can't do anything. I guess those extra 5 cm will help him a lot in accomplishing his goals ?!

Isn't Paragus his right hand or something like that? he had somewhat of an excuse for sending Broly to another planet, but what is King Vegeta supposed to tell Paragus if he just kills Broly?


sending Broly to planet vampa gives him the chance to try to convince Paragus, if he just killed Broly, Paragus will probably had started a complot to dethrone him.

Yes he is his right hand for military stuff, and the action of the King is logical, with this action sending Broly away and telling Paragus where he is reinforce his dominance towards his subject seeing him as a benevolent king who are not that ungratteful for those who serve him. A ruthless king never rule long enough, but if you reign with a firm hand by being kind sometimes and ruthless at other times you make sure that your reign will be long and prosper.

[Draconic]

So anyone following JP Twitter and social media in general, how are the reactions following the private screening? The first couple of days it was mostly focused on the seats issue, but that should've died down with the official statement.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Positive as a whole. The battle scenes were praised a lot as expected, especially the final battle. Some people on 5ch were bothered by the battle power scaling and Freeza characterization, but it seems the majority had a good time.

[Draconic]

Positive as a whole. The battle scenes were praised a lot as expected, especially the final battle. Some people on 5ch were bothered by the battle power scaling and Freeza characterization, but it seems the majority had a good time.

Thanks !

[Miracles]

He doesn't have any douchey one-liners like he does in the first one. Once he enters his rampage, I don't think he speaks at all but I haven't actually seen the movie yet either. As far as I understand, he at least doesn't talk during his time as a SSJ/LSSJ like he does in Movie 8.

Which is lame, they took the best part of the original character: his sadistic side, making Broly an unstoppable force and just that on his more powerful form is like having another Jiren as the antagonist.

Yes, movie 8 Broly was a beast. Love the way he just talked mess and smiled at the chaos. He truly exemplified the destructive persona of the legendary Super Saiyan.

[BrolyKale]

This kind of vilain can't be developped further, once you know a vilain is a sadistic unstoppable killing spree machine what can you add to this kind of character nothing. Those vilain sucks and are lame

That's not true !! there was so much to do with Broly's old character but since he only appeared in 3 dbz movies he had to die one way or another, so him being a mindless monster in the second or third movie isn't a big deal. Toyble's Broly from DBAF is much more interesting than what we got now Broly:BR.

[FortuneSSJ]

Talking about some spoilers confirmed.

The way King Vegeta tried to get rid of Broly in the original Movie is much more logical. In the new Movie he just orders for Broly to be sent to a dangerous planet expecting he doesn't survive and lets Paragus go after him, instead of trying to get rid of them himself...

Freeza says he's not interested in immortality anymore, because it's not really useful if he still can't do anything. I guess those extra 5 cm will help him a lot in accomplishing his goals ?!

Isn't Paragus his right hand or something like that? he had somewhat of an excuse for sending Broly to another planet, but what is King Vegeta supposed to tell Paragus if he just kills Broly?

sending Broly to planet vampa gives him the chance to try to convince Paragus, if he just killed Broly, Paragus will probably had started a complot to dethrone him.

And that's why just like the original Movie, King Vegeta should just try to get rid of Paragus too...
What if Paragus had succeeded and he returned to Planet Vegeta with Broly?! It would be stupid and make things worse, because Paragus could just tell everyone what King Vegeta did and how his son has more potential than the Prince...

Positive as a whole. The battle scenes were praised a lot as expected, especially the final battle. Some people on 5ch were bothered by the battle power scaling and Freeza characterization, but it seems the majority had a good time.

Well, if people had problems with Freeza's growth in ROF and later with Caulifla, Kale, Kefla and C17 power levels, it would be hypocritical of them to be okay with Broly's growth.
Good to know some japanese fans are also bothered by Freeza's characterization. That gag wish doesn't make any sense.

[Dbzfan94]

He doesn't have any douchey one-liners like he does in the first one. Once he enters his rampage, I don't think he speaks at all but I haven't actually seen the movie yet either. As far as I understand, he at least doesn't talk during his time as a SSJ/LSSJ like he does in Movie 8.

Which is lame, they took the best part of the original character: his sadistic side, making Broly an unstoppable force and just that on his more powerful form is like having another Jiren as the antagonist.

Yes, movie 8 Broly was a beast. Love the way he just talked mess and smiled at the chaos. He truly exemplified the destructive persona of the legendary Super Saiyan.

I loved that as well. Especially how he legitimately enjoyed destroying that planet and killing Paragus for trying to trick him. This "Soft innocent do-no-wrong" Broly is so lame to me.

[Dbzfan94]

Obviously this Broly is “different”. My understanding is that he doesn’t want to fight and can’t help the rage inside of him. He’s technically not a “bad guy”. The previous Broly was too extreme. Yeah he was blood thirsty, but completely lacked character. And not very smart.

The old Broly wasn't very smart? the new Broly is more stupid and incult, think of him as a second Goku with rage issues.

So basically, new Broly is just Gohan.

[TheMikado]

He doesn't have any douchey one-liners like he does in the first one. Once he enters his rampage, I don't think he speaks at all but I haven't actually seen the movie yet either. As far as I understand, he at least doesn't talk during his time as a SSJ/LSSJ like he does in Movie 8.

Which is lame, they took the best part of the original character: his sadistic side, making Broly an unstoppable force and just that on his more powerful form is like having another Jiren as the antagonist.

He's an infinitely more nuanced character this way, and this time around it sure as hell isnt lame that his character doesn't revolve around a baby crying.

Unfortunately you’re wrong on Brolys motivations thus any comparison you would attempt to make would also be severely flawed.

[RecolorSaiyan]

I am curious to see how they explain how is he tapping into the Oozaru power when his tail was cut off once Paragus found him on Vampa.

[mute_proxy]

I am curious to see how they explain how is he tapping into the Oozaru power when his tail was cut off once Paragus found him on Vampa.

I think you yourself summarized the explanation "He's tapping into the Oozaru power while in that form!" - Paragus

[CTAkuma]

Which is lame, they took the best part of the original character: his sadistic side, making Broly an unstoppable force and just that on his more powerful form is like having another Jiren as the antagonist.

Yes, movie 8 Broly was a beast. Love the way he just talked mess and smiled at the chaos. He truly exemplified the destructive persona of the legendary Super Saiyan.

I loved that as well. Especially how he legitimately enjoyed destroying that planet and killing Paragus for trying to trick him. This "Soft innocent do-no-wrong" Broly is so lame to me.

Exactly, people calling it "well written" just because he doesn't have the old backstory, yet i find the new iteration less appealing and straight up boring, making him a good guy was a terrible idea

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

Talking about some spoilers confirmed.The way King Vegeta tried to get rid of Broly in the original Movie is much more logical. In the new Movie he just orders for Broly to be sent to a dangerous planet expecting he doesn't survive and lets Paragus go after him, instead of trying to get rid of them himself...

It is questionable if that makes sense to do, especially without them clarifying the rank of the planet being too much for an infant and that King Vegeta sent him there hoping he'd die. If the spoilers are true and that King Vegeta lied about why he sent Broly there, then at least we can see it as King Vegeta trying to rig things for his own lineage, rather than just killing Broly because he's too strong. If it were a society I'd think it would be easier for them to accept it if it was just Paragus who conspired that King Vegeta lying, and acting out of jealousy, than him just openly murdering Broly, as it contradicts their old values. I'd want the idea of Broly being that strong, because of that plan backfiring. Though theatrically I think he should have at least tried to give Paragus some resistance instead of letting him just fly out of there.

Freeza says he's not interested in immortality anymore, because it's not really useful if he still can't do anything. I guess those extra 5 cm will help him a lot in accomplishing his goals ?!

Thats actually the thing I really dislike of his character in the movie. If immortality means you cant be physically killed, how would that be an issue if he was only in hell because he was dead? I don't really see how Freeza would accomplish anything with that gag making his motives so contrived. They even remind him his 2nd stage is far taller.

[Miracles]

Which is lame, they took the best part of the original character: his sadistic side, making Broly an unstoppable force and just that on his more powerful form is like having another Jiren as the antagonist.

Yes, movie 8 Broly was a beast. Love the way he just talked mess and smiled at the chaos. He truly exemplified the destructive persona of the legendary Super Saiyan.

I loved that as well. Especially how he legitimately enjoyed destroying that planet and killing Paragus for trying to trick him. This "Soft innocent do-no-wrong" Broly is so lame to me.

Yeah, from the spoilers it seems it kind of gives this Broly some type of victim persona. In contrast to the destructive loving Broly who is in control of his actions and embraces it.

I will never forget...

Broly: "Where are you going father?!"
Paragus: To seek asylum with you my son..."
Broly: "In a one seated pod?!"

*Proceeds to crumple him up like tin foil.*

lol

[RedHeat]

Yes, movie 8 Broly was a beast. Love the way he just talked mess and smiled at the chaos. He truly exemplified the destructive persona of the legendary Super Saiyan.

I loved that as well. Especially how he legitimately enjoyed destroying that planet and killing Paragus for trying to trick him. This "Soft innocent do-no-wrong" Broly is so lame to me.

Exactly, people calling it "well written" just because he doesn't have the old backstory, yet i find the new iteration less appealing and straight up boring, making him a good guy was a terrible idea

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't well written. Broly now has a motivation and explanation for doing what he does instead of just "lol i'm the devil XD".