ruler9871 wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 3:19 pmSo if a character isn't consistently reminding the audience that he/she cares about their family every episode, they don't really care? That's retarded.HeroR wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 5:08 pmWhich is again after 123. I specifically said that up until that moment, he showed really no care for his family and was mostly running on ego. You don't need a constant reminder, but Vegeta sure in hell wasn't acting like someone fighting for his family or universe, especially when he blew off Goku's Spirit Bomb, something freaking Freeza gave energy for.
We already knew Vegeta's motivations for joining the ToP before ep.123. You are being delusional for arguing otherwise.
Nice to twist my words to argued with a straw man.
As I said, you don't need a constant remainder since Gohan never mentioned his family, yet the narrative made it quite clear that was what Gohan was fighting for by how he acted and doing everything he could so his team could win. Vegeta acted like a smug ass up until 123 and didn't even give energy to Goku's Spirit Bomb when literally everyone else on his team did, including Freeza who hates Goku's guts.
If this is delusional, fine. Actions speech louder than words, and Vegeta's actions were not one of fighting for his family until much later.
mfwlegend3 wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 5:37 pmWhat exactly are you getting at if you don’t feel a consistent reminder is warranted to prove that Vegeta puts his family before his own personal ambitions then? You give off the impression that ultimately it just stems from a personal bias against the character and you’re just grasping at any straws at the moment in an attempt to rationalize what ever point it is you’re trying to make here.
It’s not that hard to comprehend. I don’t know how else you’d like it to be spoon fed for you.
Why did Vegeta refuse to lend Goku his energy? He wanted to defeat Jiren for himself and in conjunction protect what he holds sacred and that being his family. Yes it is also likely that there was some for personal gain in there but from what we have been told and have seen that was minimal in comparison to his feelings for wanting to return to his loved ones again.
By above answer applies.
So Vegeta was thinking about his family, but also being a selfish SOB by not giving energy to the Spirit Bomb when Freeza of all people did and wanted to go solo against the person who smashed his rivaled into dust even with a power-up. I guess if Vegeta isn't selfish, he's just really stupid here.
Right, I need to be spoon-fed since it should be obvious that Vegeta was thinking of his family during all his 'Vegeta-sama, I'm the best' moments. As I said above, actions speech louder than words, and Vegeta's actions were not one of someone concern for his family until much later.