Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by Matches Malone » Wed May 27, 2020 2:06 am

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His origin is functionally identical to the original but, in my opinion, is far less interesting and dramatic. They were moody and ugly. The image of Broly and Paragus dying on a trash heap has always stuck with me. They said so much with very little.

His trauma is played for sympathy, but being sympathetic is basically his entire character. He's just a nice guy who goes insane from time to time. He gets points for actually having scenes where he's a person and talks to people, but that just disappears once the actual fighting starts.

The new Broly doesn't replace the old one in my mind.
Completely agree. What I miss most from his original story is just how brutal the Saiyans are. Don't get me wrong, sending a baby to live alone on a lifeless planet is pretty bad on its own, but it pales in comparison to seeing a baby stabbed through the stomach by the king. It's one thing to do what they do to other fighters, but that's a baby, that's a whole new level of messed up. I feel Broly's new origin connects to Toriyama's attempt at making the Saiyans look better than they were envisioned, going as far as to have Paragus even justify exiling him. What they did to Broly in his original movie definitely adds credit to Freeza saying he may be bad, but he's nowhere near as bad as they were.

The issue I have with all the fighting in the new movie, is that a few scenes before Broly says he doesn't like fighting, yet doesn't even argue when his father tells him to attack Goku and Vegeta. I think they should've had him say no, only to be forced into fighting through that electric device. it'd at least line up with what he said before. At least in the original they depicted him as a blood thirsty savage, so it made sense when he attacked everyone the way he did. Speaking of the fight, he didn't do anything to show just how strong he was. In the original movie, he was fighting 4 Saiyans and a Namakian at their strongest, at the same time, and was wiping the floor with them. Here, not only did Goku and Vegeta manage to fight him one on one and remain in control of the fight, they did it while not even using their strongest forms. Once Gogeta showed up, he turned Broly into a punching bag.

Not a chance. I enjoyed the new movie for what it is (a cash grab), but there's a reason why the original Z movie 8 has remained as popular as it has until now, and will remain so far into the future.

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by KorgDTR2000 » Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:57 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 2:06 am
KorgDTR2000 wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 3:27 pm
His origin is functionally identical to the original but, in my opinion, is far less interesting and dramatic. They were moody and ugly. The image of Broly and Paragus dying on a trash heap has always stuck with me. They said so much with very little.

His trauma is played for sympathy, but being sympathetic is basically his entire character. He's just a nice guy who goes insane from time to time. He gets points for actually having scenes where he's a person and talks to people, but that just disappears once the actual fighting starts.

The new Broly doesn't replace the old one in my mind.
Completely agree. What I miss most from his original story is just how brutal the Saiyans are. Don't get me wrong, sending a baby to live alone on a lifeless planet is pretty bad on its own, but it pales in comparison to seeing a baby stabbed through the stomach by the king. It's one thing to do what they do to other fighters, but that's a baby, that's a whole new level of messed up. I feel Broly's new origin connects to Toriyama's attempt at making the Saiyans look better than they were envisioned, going as far as to have Paragus even justify exiling him. What they did to Broly in his original movie definitely adds credit to Freeza saying he may be bad, but he's nowhere near as bad as they were.
On that point specifically, isn't sending a baby alone to another planet just what they do anyway? Whats the difference between what they did to Broly and what they did to Kakarot or who knows how many other Saiyan babies?

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by Matches Malone » Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:15 pm

KorgDTR2000 wrote:
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Isn't sending a baby alone to another planet just what they do anyway? Whats the difference between what they did to Broly and what they did to Kakarot or who knows how many other Saiyan babies?
The issue Paragus had was Vampa being an unlivable planet. With other Saiyans, they send them to normal planets that they themselves will visit later to collect the Saiyan. Broly was essentially sent there to die, which like I said is bad, but nowhere near as bad as stabbing him in the stomach like the original.

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie Thread: "Broly"

Post by AlexFili » Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:54 am

Just wanted to say I really loved this film. I'm glad they gave some time in the spotlight for the saiyan characters, especially a bit of time for Raditz and Nappa who get overlooked sometimes. Great way of rebooting Broly into the canon in a meaningful way. I'm glad he is less mindless in this version.
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