Alruneia wrote:That would definitely not be better, as it'd in a way invalidate having ten contestants per universe to begin with. Why do that when you're just gonna throw them away?
A better choice is to instead increase the amount of fights going on at once. While the "main" Universe 7 battles are happening, other contestants are fighting in the background, maybe getting a panel or so each for their eliminations. One of the biggest complaints have been that the tournament in the anime is just everyone standing still or taking their turn losing to Universe 7, so this would help remedy that. Perhaps Jiren could suddenly decide to eliminate most of a universe really quickly, too, in order to help hype him up. But this whole process wouldn't happen in just one chapter.
Seriously. Just have a few panel where they fight for a bit then an elimination.
He could do the really minor eliminations quick without giving them nothing.
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JazzMazz wrote:
I agree with you, universe 7 and 6 don't need to literally fight everybody.
I hope Toyotaro just gives them key fights with major characters instead of having them fight every loser that wants to go ten rounds but can't even get past the first.
By having less noteable fighters be eliminated off panel, your giving more panel and page space to things that actually matter.
I understand your point but we don't need him to rush into the important battles because they are the cooler ones to read. He should have a reasonable pace to this tournament and not knockout the weaker characters in one chapter. It will just look bad from that view of why bring those characters if you are not going to use them. To me, that is just a disaster waiting to happen.
I'm not saying he should knock out the weaker characters in a single chapter, I'm saying he doesn't need to give focus to characters that aren't going to amount to anything, and he could do this by having characters by other universes also eliminating characters in the background progressively. Universe 7 doesn't need to fight literally everybody.
I understand your point but I think it would better to at least give each universe a moment instead of getting rid of them because fans only care about 6,7, and 11
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majinwarman wrote:
I understand your point but we don't need him to rush into the important battles because they are the cooler ones to read. He should have a reasonable pace to this tournament and not knockout the weaker characters in one chapter. It will just look bad from that view of why bring those characters if you are not going to use them. To me, that is just a disaster waiting to happen.
I'm not saying he should knock out the weaker characters in a single chapter, I'm saying he doesn't need to give focus to characters that aren't going to amount to anything, and he could do this by having characters by other universes also eliminating characters in the background progressively. Universe 7 doesn't need to fight literally everybody.
I understand your point but I think it would better to at least give each universe a moment instead of getting rid of them because fans only care about 6,7, and 11
I agree, each universe should be given their moment in the limelight. Otherwise they would just end up feeling kind of like empty space, kind of like Universe 4, which felt completely out of their depth and were frankly completely skippable opponents.
I believe in an interview he said something about the manga skipping ahead in the story once it gets to the tournament, so we probably won't see any of the "fodder" characters in the manga at all.
UpFromTheSkies wrote:I believe in an interview he said something about the manga skipping ahead in the story once it gets to the tournament, so we probably won't see any of the "fodder" characters in the manga at all.
It would be a great way for the manga to catch up closer to the anime if they skip over or only show brief scenes of all the fodder matches. Just think, Super had to spend dozens of episodes and months in real life showing 70 other characters eliminated. The manga could only show the most important fights and gloss over the others in one panel or quickly.
I mean there's no way in hell we're going to see all 80 characters properly featured in the manga. The manga simply doesn't have enough pages or "time" to dedicate so many scenes to fodder/unimportant enemies. I expect most to be done off-screen or in small montage panels.
UpFromTheSkies wrote:I believe in an interview he said something about the manga skipping ahead in the story once it gets to the tournament, so we probably won't see any of the "fodder" characters in the manga at all.
No,before black arc ended it was said that manga will be ahead of anime.The universe arc trailer had manga pages so people thought he is going to skip a lot of stuff like recruitment etc.
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If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
When it comes to fleshing out this tournament, Toyataro definitely has a big handicap in comparison to the anime. I don't see this as a problem though because It's not like the anime and manga has to constantly be in competition with each-other. They're pretty much the same product.
JazzMazz wrote:
I'm not saying he should knock out the weaker characters in a single chapter, I'm saying he doesn't need to give focus to characters that aren't going to amount to anything, and he could do this by having characters by other universes also eliminating characters in the background progressively. Universe 7 doesn't need to fight literally everybody.
I understand your point but I think it would better to at least give each universe a moment instead of getting rid of them because fans only care about 6,7, and 11
I agree, each universe should be given their moment in the limelight. Otherwise they would just end up feeling kind of like empty space, kind of like Universe 4, which felt completely out of their depth and were frankly completely skippable opponents.
Thank you for seeing my point about not wasting different universes by skipping over them.
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I believe the Manga will be somewhat U7 focused, maybe a bit of U6 and U11 as well. I think it's gonna cut to random panels of random fights (for example a shot of Basil vs Nigrishi or Obuni vs Vuon. Just random pulls lol)
That would be lame. What Toyotaro has to do is to not focus on fodder but still show them fighting and getting knocked out in 1-2 panels each. I believe he could get to the final 10 minutes of the tournament in 3 chapters.
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