Amir wrote:At this pointI gave up trying to understand his character. He hints sometimes that he stands for justice like in episode 111, but then all of a sudden he becomes a complete douch, he literally lets Goku and Vegeta do whatever the fuck they want even though he had plenty of chances to eliminate them but suddenly gets pissed and calls them impudent bastards. I mean what did he expect?
He is written inconsistently, and is doing everything possible to reduce his chances to win. And we still don't know what he wants or anything about him, he serves as a big wall for U7 and that's it.
Just what's his deal? I feel like if he would suddenly smash his head into a rock for no reason, I wouldn't be surprised anymore.
This is what irks me the most, and why I'm usually against OP antagonist. They have to self sabotage for the main characters to win. The moment Jiren started meditating mid tournament, I knew the writers didn't know how to make a character so powerful operate in a tournament with so many weaker characters.
It would be one thing if Goku and Vegeta were actually overwhelming Jiren, slowly chipping away, but it seems like he's allowing them to survive at this point. They've been going back and forth for what, four episodes now, and nothing has got accomplished on either side.
Different writers do their own thing and it seems like the director of the show doesn't care enough to maintain consistency. Thats been a huge problem in DBS as they show or state things that are shown to be false/retconned a few episodes later. I think each writer just writes in his/her own bubble without much concern about the overall narrative going forward
t0ffe3m4n wrote:Yeah I feel a little let down with how they've developed his character. I even found his comment towards Toppo weird, makes him sound like an arrogant ass.
Hopefully they redeem with somewhat in the next few episodes.
He has been arrogant right from the start. He had every right to make that comment, Toppo threw everything away his entire convictions and lost to Vegeta who showed him the opposite.
Kanious wrote:Toppo better start choosing better the people he calls "best friends".
Jiren was really a douch.
This is a misconception,he is angry at Toppo cuz the latter threw away his justice pride over destruction.He wouldn't even be angry if Toppo loss with out that power up.
I can’t really grasp why exactly Toei has decided to mostly ignore the fact that Jiren is supposed to be a superhero. Are they just afraid that kids would root for the antagonist if he isn’t a jerk?
I can't help but think of anime Jiren as a corrupt Superman. Someone who's supposed to stand for justice and hope but who's become indifferent, selfish and arrogant overtime.
The type who thinks "I've saved every planet in the universe at least a hundred times, why should I care?" It would also explain his harshness to Toppo, they may have been good friend back when Jiren was a real hero but now Jiren's become so introverted he just views Toppo as a fool, a well meaning fool, but a fool none the less. It also explains his arrogance towards everyone, they cannot live up to his standards so he looks down on them, even his friends.
Hell he probably only smiled because things are getting interesting, for "him" mind you. I sincerely doubt his universes safety or even the real possibility of him loosing has even entered his head.
Simple put while Jiren is not a "villain" and is meant to be a "hero", it blatantly clear he's not, or better viewed as no longer, a genuinely good person.
WittyUsername wrote:I can’t really grasp why exactly Toei has decided to mostly ignore the fact that Jiren is supposed to be a superhero. Are they just afraid that kids would root for the antagonist if he isn’t a jerk?
Where is it stated he is supposed to be a "superhero" ? His characterisation has been consistent with what they have presented, he wasn't even present during that mission on U11.
He really has gone through some mood shifts so far. I really hope they don't make him raging in anger once he's defeated. That'd be the final nail in the coffin
But since he's the focus going forward I guess we'll have to see for ourselves what he's like
WittyUsername wrote:I can’t really grasp why exactly Toei has decided to mostly ignore the fact that Jiren is supposed to be a superhero. Are they just afraid that kids would root for the antagonist if he isn’t a jerk?
Where is it stated he is supposed to be a "superhero" ? His characterisation has been consistent with what they have presented, he wasn't even present during that mission on U11.
I mean, he’s one of the Pride Troopers, and Toppo (who is constantly preaching about justice) referred to him as a close friend.
WittyUsername wrote:I can’t really grasp why exactly Toei has decided to mostly ignore the fact that Jiren is supposed to be a superhero. Are they just afraid that kids would root for the antagonist if he isn’t a jerk?
Where is it stated he is supposed to be a "superhero" ? His characterisation has been consistent with what they have presented, he wasn't even present during that mission on U11.
I mean, he’s one of the Pride Troopers, and Toppo (who is constantly preaching about justice) referred to him as a close friend.
Batman is part of the Justice League but that doesn't stop him being a jerk, and in turn a non traditional superhero, nor also being friends with boy scout Superman himself. Jiren hasn't shown anything close to this justice crap Toppo spouts, he has been arrogant throughout the entire tournament, allowing Goku and Vegeta to use their full power moves, talking shit on Hit for having "assassins pride" and then once all the big guns were gone having the cheek to start meditating. Him talking smack against Toppo is right in his character, and we hardly ever saw Toppo and Jiren actually interact it seems the "friendship" is more one-sided.
Baggie_Saiyan wrote:
Where is it stated he is supposed to be a "superhero" ? His characterisation has been consistent with what they have presented, he wasn't even present during that mission on U11.
I mean, he’s one of the Pride Troopers, and Toppo (who is constantly preaching about justice) referred to him as a close friend.
Batman is part of the Justice League but that doesn't stop him being a jerk, and in turn a non traditional superhero, nor also being friends with boy scout Superman himself. Jiren hasn't shown anything close to this justice crap Toppo spouts, he has been arrogant throughout the entire tournament, allowing Goku and Vegeta to use their full power moves, talking shit on Hit for having "assassins pride" and then once all the big guns were gone having the cheek to start meditating. Him talking smack against Toppo is right in his character, and we hardly ever saw Toppo and Jiren actually interact it seems the "friendship" is more one-sided.
The thing is, it’s so at odds with his manga counterpart (from what we’ve seen) that I have to wonder if Toei decided to portray him like this specifically because they didn’t want to make him the guy that kids would want to root for.
Kanious wrote:Toppo better start choosing better the people he calls "best friends".
Jiren was really a douch.
This is a misconception,he is angry at Toppo cuz the latter threw away his justice pride over destruction.He wouldn't even be angry if Toppo loss with out that power up.
This is evident by the fact that he didn't shit talk Dyspo for losing. He isn't all that inconsistent tbh. He's always been stoic, but also cocky, and an asshole. At the same time he clearly values justice (at least his own) and fighting for a purpose. Looks down on Hit cause he believes an assassin can't have pride, looks down on Toppo for throwing away his Pride and everything he stood for only to accomplish nothing and lose to someone who stood by his own beliefs. He seems to respect Vegeta whereas he seems more indifferent with Goku who simply fights just to fight and get stronger.
There's nothing really inconsistent about it, and had Toppo lost to Freeza and 17 before throwing away his pride, Jiren wouldn't have said anything. If anything it gave Jiren a bit more to his currently shallow character
Jiren is to the Pride Troopers what Batman is the Justice League. He may be associated with them by default, but he has his own morals, mentality and principles which while also sometimes meshing with the rest of the group, can appear to sometimes clash with everyone else that is a part of the group.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
TysonWine wrote:
The moment Jiren started meditating mid tournament, I knew the writers didn't know how to make a character so powerful operate in a tournament with so many weaker characters.
I was hoping him meditating hinted at a weakness that he had. Like maybe he has to sit and meditate to control his immense power. But they probably won't go with that angle. If I were writing Super, I would have gone with that angle.
