I agree that Goku was better in Super than GT but I don't know about Z yet. You have to give me more time and evidence to convince me about that.Kataphrut wrote:No because I honestly think Super has done better handling Goku as a protagonist since DB. In GT he was an over-powered bore, in Z he was a reactive plot device. Some iffy characterisation aside, Super's done a good of making him intrinsic to the action.
I'm not gonna lie, I would have liked it if Gohan had taken a more active role as a secondary protagonist and stayed that way throughout the ToP, but Vegeta's worked well in that role(until he took over Gohan in the ToP). But I think as long as we have someone good for Goku to bounce off, him staying on as protagonist will remain fine.
Do you think DBS will better if Gohan or Vegeta replace Goku as protagonist ?
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It would be better writing if they simply interchanged who was the protagonist subtly during the show to change perspectives. It would make more realistic and interesting writing. Why should it only have one protagonist. Didn't this happen regularly during the original dragon ball? I mean in a fluent way. Not just special episodes, but part of the writing naturally.
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I would have liked for them to do more with Goten (because he wasn't given enough to do in the original series outside of being used for fusion.)
But I think that I would have liked to see Gohan struggling with his return to training again after having been out of it for so long due to his family... in a more prominent MC role than he got.
But I think that I would have liked to see Gohan struggling with his return to training again after having been out of it for so long due to his family... in a more prominent MC role than he got.
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Re: Do you think DBS will better if Gohan or Vegeta replace Goku as protagonist ?
Easy. Goku for better and worst is a character in Super. In Z, he’s a plot device.majinwarman wrote:I agree that Goku was better in Super than GT but I don't know about Z yet. You have to give me more time and evidence to convince me about that.Kataphrut wrote:No because I honestly think Super has done better handling Goku as a protagonist since DB. In GT he was an over-powered bore, in Z he was a reactive plot device. Some iffy characterisation aside, Super's done a good of making him intrinsic to the action.
I'm not gonna lie, I would have liked it if Gohan had taken a more active role as a secondary protagonist and stayed that way throughout the ToP, but Vegeta's worked well in that role(until he took over Gohan in the ToP). But I think as long as we have someone good for Goku to bounce off, him staying on as protagonist will remain fine.
No. The original Dragon Ball was more Goku focused than Super.Arugela wrote:It would be better writing if they simply interchanged who was the protagonist subtly during the show to change perspectives. It would make more realistic and interesting writing. Why should it only have one protagonist. Didn't this happen regularly during the original dragon ball? I mean in a fluent way. Not just special episodes, but part of the writing naturally.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
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It was way better at seamlessly incorporating the other characters. It was just more action/adventure oriented.HeroR wrote:Easy. Goku for better and worst is a character in Super. In Z, he’s a plot device.majinwarman wrote:I agree that Goku was better in Super than GT but I don't know about Z yet. You have to give me more time and evidence to convince me about that.Kataphrut wrote:No because I honestly think Super has done better handling Goku as a protagonist since DB. In GT he was an over-powered bore, in Z he was a reactive plot device. Some iffy characterisation aside, Super's done a good of making him intrinsic to the action.
I'm not gonna lie, I would have liked it if Gohan had taken a more active role as a secondary protagonist and stayed that way throughout the ToP, but Vegeta's worked well in that role(until he took over Gohan in the ToP). But I think as long as we have someone good for Goku to bounce off, him staying on as protagonist will remain fine.
No. The original Dragon Ball was more Goku focused than Super.Arugela wrote:It would be better writing if they simply interchanged who was the protagonist subtly during the show to change perspectives. It would make more realistic and interesting writing. Why should it only have one protagonist. Didn't this happen regularly during the original dragon ball? I mean in a fluent way. Not just special episodes, but part of the writing naturally.
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GT theory: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=40001
Brolly Gohan Fusion!: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38826
Uubeerus fusion: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39923
Dende theme: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=39750
Zenoh might be waygu/kobe Beef!?: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40055
GT theory: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=40001
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But it really didn't incorporate the other characters that much. Like almost the entire Red Ribbon Army Saga was all about Goku.Arugela wrote: It was way better at seamlessly incorporating the other characters. It was just more action/adventure oriented.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
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I think he is referring to the characters that were not part of main cast like Android 8.The only goku centric arc in super is arguably bog and top in which he has needless focus unlike OG db where they did not placed goku where he did not belong.HeroR wrote:But it really didn't incorporate the other characters that much. Like almost the entire Red Ribbon Army Saga was all about Goku.Arugela wrote: It was way better at seamlessly incorporating the other characters. It was just more action/adventure oriented.
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Re: Do you think DBS will better if Gohan or Vegeta replace Goku as protagonist ?
I would be fine if vegeta took a more leading role. I mean his personality cliches can work for him in that role. Give him some character development make him a more likeable person. I can live with that.
Now Gohan on the other hand, the sky is the limit with him. We can have him as a goku replacement and i guarantee the majority of the population will accept him in a positive way.
Now Gohan on the other hand, the sky is the limit with him. We can have him as a goku replacement and i guarantee the majority of the population will accept him in a positive way.
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Last time Gohan took center stage, half the people loved it, the other half HATED it.
I liked it though.
I liked it though.
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Plot device is an understatement whenever the plot didn't need him he would be out of commission (dead, injured, on his way "hang in there guys" or laying in bed recovering from a heart disease) and when the plot needed him he'd be there! (Saiyan's kill most of the Z fighters and Goku arrives in the nick of time! Final form Freeza and all of a sudden Goku was healed, Ginyu force are here not long after Goku suddenly arrives!)HeroR wrote:Easy. Goku for better and worst is a character in Super. In Z, he’s a plot device.majinwarman wrote:I agree that Goku was better in Super than GT but I don't know about Z yet. You have to give me more time and evidence to convince me about that.Kataphrut wrote:No because I honestly think Super has done better handling Goku as a protagonist since DB. In GT he was an over-powered bore, in Z he was a reactive plot device. Some iffy characterisation aside, Super's done a good of making him intrinsic to the action.
I'm not gonna lie, I would have liked it if Gohan had taken a more active role as a secondary protagonist and stayed that way throughout the ToP, but Vegeta's worked well in that role(until he took over Gohan in the ToP). But I think as long as we have someone good for Goku to bounce off, him staying on as protagonist will remain fine.
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So, when the bad guys are winning, Goku is gone. But when you need to beat them, Goku is there except for Cell when Gohan beat him or when everyone helped beat Vegeta.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Plot device is an understatement whenever the plot didn't need him he would be out of commission (dead, injured, on his way "hang in there guys" or laying in bed recovering from a heart disease) and when the plot needed him he'd be there! (Saiyan's kill most of the Z fighters and Goku arrives in the nick of time! Final form Freeza and all of a sudden Goku was healed, Ginyu force are here not long after Goku suddenly arrives!)HeroR wrote:Easy. Goku for better and worst is a character in Super. In Z, he’s a plot device.majinwarman wrote: I agree that Goku was better in Super than GT but I don't know about Z yet. You have to give me more time and evidence to convince me about that.
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Goku was constantly sideline in Z to keep the plot going. If he was around from the beginning, Nappa wouldn't have slaughtered everyone, so he was made to be really late. He probably could have beating Freeza before he went into his final form, so he got hurt and was in the healing tank until Freeza went into his final form. In the Android Saga, he could have destroyed 19 and 20 without making the same mistakes as Vegeta, so he got sick. If he went into the the time chamber first, he would have killed Semi-Perfect Cell, so naturally he let Vegeta go first.majinwarman wrote:So, when the bad guys are winning, Goku is gone. But when you need to beat them, Goku is there except for Cell when Gohan beat him or when everyone helped beat Vegeta.Baggie_Saiyan wrote:Plot device is an understatement whenever the plot didn't need him he would be out of commission (dead, injured, on his way "hang in there guys" or laying in bed recovering from a heart disease) and when the plot needed him he'd be there! (Saiyan's kill most of the Z fighters and Goku arrives in the nick of time! Final form Freeza and all of a sudden Goku was healed, Ginyu force are here not long after Goku suddenly arrives!)HeroR wrote:
Easy. Goku for better and worst is a character in Super. In Z, he’s a plot device.
Yeah, he was plot device.
Kanassa wrote:Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
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Next series needs to be EOZ so Goku and Vegeta are retired to the bahamas so Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan and Uub can be the new heroes.
It will be called, "Dragonball: The Next Generation" and it will be glorious.
It will be called, "Dragonball: The Next Generation" and it will be glorious.
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I think that will happen but it will a slow process to get the fans prepared for it to happen.precita wrote:Next series needs to be EOZ so Goku and Vegeta are retired to the bahamas so Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan and Uub can be the new heroes.
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Yep. I can see Gohan, Vegeta, Goku, being in the front line, with Uub, Goten, and Pan participating more, but without obfuscating the veteran characters.precita wrote:Next series needs to be EOZ so Goku and Vegeta are retired to the bahamas so Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan and Uub can be the new heroes.
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Re: Do you think DBS will better if Gohan or Vegeta replace Goku as protagonist ?
Can I just say that Gohan is a terrible shonen protagonist, and I think his boring performance this arc has really solidified that idea.
Gohan isn't a bad character, however, when his actually fighting, his usually one of the least engaging warriors personality wise. He doesn't have Vegeta's cockiness or Goku's charm and good humour to him, his just a straight faced bad ass, and rather dull one at that.
Gohan shone at his best as a character in Super when he wasn't in the limelight as the shonen protagonist, Gohan retiring was easily the best thing that ever happened to his character, namely because it actually fits the motivations of his character.
If they were going to replace Goku, I would say that Vegeta and Piccolo would probably be the strongest personalities to fill that gap, since Vegeta and Piccolo do mesh off each other really well comedically, but also in serious and dire situations, making me think that them being in the limelight could be potentially interesting to watch.
If Gohan was to rise to prominence again(for some stupid reason), I think a lot of focus should also by natural extension be placed upon Piccolo, because Piccolo, unlike Gohan, is someone with the constant drive to get stronger that is necessary for the main protagonist of espicially current Dragonball to have.
Gohan isn't a bad character, however, when his actually fighting, his usually one of the least engaging warriors personality wise. He doesn't have Vegeta's cockiness or Goku's charm and good humour to him, his just a straight faced bad ass, and rather dull one at that.
Gohan shone at his best as a character in Super when he wasn't in the limelight as the shonen protagonist, Gohan retiring was easily the best thing that ever happened to his character, namely because it actually fits the motivations of his character.
If they were going to replace Goku, I would say that Vegeta and Piccolo would probably be the strongest personalities to fill that gap, since Vegeta and Piccolo do mesh off each other really well comedically, but also in serious and dire situations, making me think that them being in the limelight could be potentially interesting to watch.
If Gohan was to rise to prominence again(for some stupid reason), I think a lot of focus should also by natural extension be placed upon Piccolo, because Piccolo, unlike Gohan, is someone with the constant drive to get stronger that is necessary for the main protagonist of espicially current Dragonball to have.