Pokesamus217 wrote: 1345521 wrote:
Zamas didn't kill people based off a YouTube video. That's not what happened. I also don't see how Black complaining about getting beaten is out of character. Literally every dragon ball villain got flustered when they were getting beaten.
I hope the manga has a good explanation for ultra instinct, and I hope it does a good job of portraying the form in general. Jiren doesn't seem to strong so far, seeing as how he had to unsuppress to defeat Hit.
Manga hit is stronger then hit in the anime thoug, by comfortable margin.
No Anime Hit is stronger, he was able to hold his own against Blue While Manga Hit would of lost if Goku went all out immedeatly, Anime Hit also had a much better performance against Jiren.
why do toyotaro pessimist all have the SAME ARGUMENTS that have been DEBUNKED so many times? Sighs... Alright.
Hit in the manga grew stronger then what he was in the universe 6 arc for the very reason of him feeling "defeated" against son goku. So to argue hit strength in the manga using the arc of before he got stronger is useless. You hVe to go by hits strndgth in the ToP. Where it's confirmed he's on the level of ssj blue mastered tier, which is about equal to merged zamsu. Hit could arguably be stronger then mssj blue at full power as well since goku and jiren were shocked at the power hit was admitting. So manga hit = mssj blue = merged zamsu > ssj blue
Now let's look at anime. Anime hit didn't do that great of an job against ssj blue. Once goku saw through his TS, goku started to get the edge on Hit by a pretty comfortable amount. Hit then had to use the "IMPROVEMENT" Technique (which dosent increase RAW STRENGTH but adapts his ability and empowers it) so where he can up his Time Skip .5 seconds which gave him the edge. Then against kaioken, he improved his TS to 1 second so he could combat it. In terms of raw strndgth, anime hit wasn't much better then hit in the manga for the ToP. Ssj god wasn't a thing for toei back then so I can't really gauge hit strength level. In the anime he's below ssj blue, in the manga at MAX power he was just above ssj god tier.
Now with that said, AT MAX: you could place hit at ssj blue tier (honestly I wouldn't even say that since he got foddered by dyspo) Which obviously is a joke to MSSJ blue tier.
Now I'm not saying manga hit is more powerful then anime hit since anime hit has greater hades, but in terms of raw strndgth? Manga hit is much stronger then anime hit. Anime hit has just greater haxes.