Grimlock wrote:Dragono wrote:You do know this thread was for people who have not given up, right?
Yes, but:
• It is not like people who have given up cannot state their opinions nonetheless.
• You specified that it is not for people who have given up on the franchise, which is not my case. I have only given up on the main series, not the franchise. Luckily Dragon Ball is not just made up of the series that you watch, we have other ways to enjoy it.
sintzu wrote:Toriyama said multiple times that he's not working alone and ideas such as Broly being brought back was from the "editorial office", whatever that is. The problem is you've got a staff of writers who can't seem to think out of the box and Toriyama himself isn't the writer he once was so he's not pushing for comepletely new idea and instead is just giving them and fans what they want. That's not to say we haven't gotten anything new but like you said, they never realize their full potential because they seem to not want to spend too much time away from familiar concepts.
I know Toriyama is not the only problem here, but you know, since he is who he is, he gets credited even for stuff not entirely his fault, well, since/as long as Toriyama allows it he is partially guilty. At any rate, this "editorial office" then should have been composed of people who really want this franchise to move on to new directions and horizons, not ones that push even further into the safe zone. If they are the source of this whole nonsense then Toriyama should leave and proceed to work with people at Dimps company instead...
emperior wrote:Jaco’s manga explains that Saiyans stay in a kid’s body for a long time, and they use it to their advantage to deceive their opponents and later they have a rapid growth into a body more suitable for battle. This is exactly what happened to Goku.
Kid Trunks is different from his future counterpart, apparently. I wouldn’t mind him finally growing though.
I agree how they still act way too much like kids. The same is true for Marron.
One reason why I want Toriyama to finally go over his manga ending is specifically because I want to see Goten and Trunks finally doing things.
Jaco's explanation does not work on Trunks, his height was already very well established so present Trunks should just obey the laws that Future Trunks imposed. I'll give you Goten though, even though if it was the case to portray Trunks properly, Toei/Toriyama would certainly make Goten taller too. And present Trunks is not different from future Trunks when it comes to biological matter. And yeah, to make things worse, we cannot forget about Marron too.
Agree. I also want a story passed AGE 784, it's high time for a "new cast" or at least give them more screentime and whatnot, which is also something that they are seemingly afraid to do so.
Master Xar wrote:You see a concept and you think “more expanding on this concept = better” you think that just because the series implies or introduces new things and concepts and simply that the fans want them to be expanded on, means that it should.
No dude, stop jumping into conclusions. It does not necessarily mean it will be better, that actually relies on the execution. But here is exactly where video-games come in, the way they handle alternate dimension is fine by me, so they prove that expanding on that concept will only enrich the story, the lore in-universe. If it's gonna be good or bad is another issue, but it's a fact that dealing with other ideas not touched previously may get things at least more interesting. Why do you think the Shadow Dragons stand out this much? They do revolve around a good idea, only that its execution was not good.
Please never say that only because "it's expanding means that it's better" issue about me anymore, you're only making false claims, twisting my words and the way I view things.
Master Xar wrote:...which is already fanservice in and of itself from that logic. Both fans “want” something more or less out of this so both are already fanservice.
Yes, obviously it is a fanservice. I want the series to have a story out of the box, it gives me that kind of story, it is a fanservice. It is not different from people who want endless fights, they get what they want, it is a fanservice. At this point everything is fanservice, it has become impossible to do something without listening to what your fanbase is asking. So I don't really know what was your point here.