Neon Z wrote:In the movie, it's just said he absorbed part the his power, and in the end we see him going SSJ God for a moment by himself which causes a bigger boost than SSJ, allowing him to stop Beerus' blast. Considering Toriyama's track record, he often just says things on spur of the moment in interviews, and the actual finished work is what he uses as basis for future creations.
This is just semantics. As far as Toriyama is concerned, Goku had absorbed the power of SSG into SSJ as he showed in the movie and further corroborated in an interview shortly after the interview. The extent to which this is the case is kind of irrelevant.
That's why we end up with SSJ God returning later and shown to be a form stronger than SSJ1, even though that might not have been Toriyama's original intention. It's how the final product turned out and clearly what he went with later on, even in this Broly movie itself
As far as the anime is concerned, as we see this idea of absorption extended across the series, it does not prohibit Super Saiyan God from returning and being stronger than normal SSJ. The fact that SSG appears in the movie is not evidence that Toriyama had changed his mind about the absorption of SSG.
Mister_Popo wrote:
Broly has base power well well beyond Freezas during ROF right after he was resurrected (before he started "training"), that's not even comparable.
Nobody disputed this.
He starts of below base Vegeta and he ends up pushing Gogeta into Blue, a fusion who is well beyond Jiren. That gap is utterly utterly massive like nothing we've ever seen before.
That gap is still absolutely nothing compared to going from weaker than Namek SSJ Goku to being stronger than RoF SSB Goku and Vegeta. Base Broly even being remotely close to current Base Vegeta makes his starting point by default hundreds of thousands if not millions of times stronger than Namek Freeza and Freeza's starting point and LSSJ Broly is not hundreds of thousands if not millions of times stronger than RoF Golden Freeza. Not even close IMO.
Even post-TOP Golden Freeza, far far more stronger than ROF Golden Freeza, can't handle SSJ Broly. They aren't in the same league whatsoever.
Nobody disputed this either. ToP Golden Freeza doesn't need to be on the same level for his power increase to be larger than Broly's because:
initial Base Broly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Namek Freeza
Polyphase Avatron wrote:I'm not convinced he is above Jiren.
Me either. I think it is left kind of ambiguous if he is above Jiren or not by the movie itself.