Tai Lung wrote:Acetona wrote:Tai Lung wrote:snip
Hit vs Dyspo was just a normal fight for the franchise standards, it just had some stupid explanation that is really convoluted.
We do have characters with cool abilities, but don't act like they play a big role.
That absolute zero guy freezes Vegeta arm, he gives no shit about it, melts the ice and proceeds to kick him out of the arena.
That poison fox didn't even use his poison on ToP, because it would kill his enemies, so what's the point?
The black hole that was overcome by "the biggest ball of ki" called Kamehameha.
Hakai energy isn't anything cool, I'm still trying to understand how can Toppo use it and not kill his opponents. It turns out to be an ordinary ki ball with fancy name. And his subplot is just revealed at the last moment, and feels like an asspull. They could've foreshadowed it better, specially since Super's plot is written in advance.
And you're saying me Anilaza is original just because he is a fusion of 3 robots and an old guy? He was defeated in an extremely generic way I can't even remember in detail. It's like he shot a ki ball and 17 used his barrier and punched him or something.
Those shots from Goku vs Jiren are awesome indeed, but 2 minutes of fighting don't save an entire 40 episode arc about fighting.
-I did not use ki attacks ... it was a physical fight using special abilities and I really used an explanation according to the defects and strengths of each of them I do not see the point of what you mean are "time stop VS superspeed"
-for which the opponents of U9 lasted, because if it is a big difference, most of them did not use traditional attacks. My point is kept here.
-I used it in the exhibition tournament and I used it again in the tournament only that Goku planned a strategy to counteract it using a barrier
-not change the point again the opponent use different skill to the one of goku that also canceled his teleport that defeated him with more power does not change that part.
-Hakai> Hakai no energy is different and still canceled frost attacks and toppo could use it as a defensive barrier
by pure moral of toppo was the reason for not using it at the beginning
in the tournament you can not kill toppo had to be contained in any case
and finally vegeta has ki god to be able to go against toppo and overcome his hakai no energy
-when dragon ball series canon fought 5 warriors with a giant warrior at the same time?
he was defeated seeing his weak point
strategy, special abilities, combinations, mergers and teamwork are used
ok you will excuse me for not agreeing but for me he had enough in adding new things to stay
It just didn't have any ki attacks. The way the writers make people surpass Hit's Time Skip isn't really clear and seems convoluted. And Goku broke his techniques 2 times just by being... stronger...? I don't know, we don't have any explanation. And that's funny, because side characters make stupid remarks all the time, but they couldn't explain things that needed to be explained
(and yeah, this happens no Z too, that's whay it shouldn't be happening here, things must improve over time, not stall)
If I recall correctly, Trio de Dangers strongest technique was really typical though. And also iirc, I think I mentioned those "sniper guys" from U2 as a cool addition, but those special ability users were mostly cannon fodder and hadn't enough screentime. They're there and are unique in-universe, but they weren't used as well as they could be.
Ok, I don't remember him using poison at all on ToP, I'll give you that.
It seems the show do treat Hakai and Hakai energy as 2 different things, but it's not made clear and acts just like some fancy named ki ball/barrier. And how do you contain something that erases whichever it touches? That's my point, it doesn't make any sense.
Canon never. But is being canon everything? We certainly saw this with Hirudegarn. Anilaza is giant too. It isn't anything new, my mind can't pretend I didn't see DBZ Movie 13 and thought this is super original. I'll give you that weak point thingy, I can't remember anything about targeting a weak spot on the enemy's body now, but that's really overused everywhere, I mean, this is a common way that
Super Sentai villains die when they're giant.
I'm not saying there isn't anything new, it's just they were executed very badly and become forgetable. We remember that absolute zero guy, but I bet most casual fans won't remember him in some time, if they haven't forget him already. Yet, everybody will remember characters like Dyspo, Toppo and Jiren.