Characters you wish were completely removed from Super/sequels

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Characters you wish were completely removed from Super/sequels

Post by coola » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:18 am

For now, i have two characters i wish Toei/Toriyama wouldpull away from show:

Chi-Chi: Soccer mom trope never was funny for me in sitcoms, it isnt funny anywhere else, its just annoying, and everytime she appears, i wish Goku would just blast her away :)

Tenshinhan: Toei/Toriyama clearly have no idea what to do with him, he became joke in Super, surpassed even by Roshi, he retired in Cell Saga, and it should stay that way. Eventually have cameo like in Buu Saga, but dont put him into frontlines.
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:36 am

Zeno. He is the worst deus ex machina ever. He can literally erase any villain and has no weakness. And since he is Goku's best friend, he will always side with him. What's the point of having powerful villains like Zamasu, who have the potential to be MULTIVERSAL threats, if they can just be erased in one second by this walking plot device?
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Post by Kepiaschkz » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:19 am

SupremeKai25 wrote:Zeno. He is the worst deus ex machina ever. He can literally erase any villain and has no weakness. And since he is Goku's best friend, he will always side with him. What's the point of having powerful villains like Zamasu, who have the potential to be MULTIVERSAL threats, if they can just be erased in one second by this walking plot device?
Walking plot device... yes in a sense but not so much. He's been clearly established as a double edged sword since the end of the Future Trunks Saga. Counting on him for erasing the main villain, or just interacting with him is a too risky move.

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Post by SupremeKai25 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:43 am

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SupremeKai25 wrote:Zeno. He is the worst deus ex machina ever. He can literally erase any villain and has no weakness. And since he is Goku's best friend, he will always side with him. What's the point of having powerful villains like Zamasu, who have the potential to be MULTIVERSAL threats, if they can just be erased in one second by this walking plot device?
Walking plot device... yes in a sense but not so much. He's been clearly established as a double edged sword since the end of the Future Trunks Saga. Counting on him for erasing the main villain, or just interacting with him is a too risky move.
Zeno erased the Future multiverse because it was ruined beyond repair due to Zamasu's reign of terror lasting for a long time as no one could oppose him. Such a scenario would not happen in the Present timeline because any future villain would have to face Goku and co. before being able to devastate the world. Furthermore, Present Zeno is Goku's best friend, I'm sure he would be able to convince him to spare the universe if it came to that.

When the next big bad appears, Goku can literally just use the Zeno Button and ask Zeno to erase the new threat. The fact that the protagonists have a literal deus ex machina at their disposal 24/7 means that there is 0 tension.
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Re: Characters you wish were completely removed from Super/sequels

Post by Luso Saiyan » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:46 am

Kale. A character created and shoehorned into Super with the sole purpose of capitalizing on Toei's Broly.

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Post by coola » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:29 pm

Luso Saiyan wrote:Kale. A character created and shoehorned into Super with the sole purpose of capitalizing on Toei's Broly.
Same could be said about Frost, he was literally another Freeza, introduced right after F movie arc. Then again, it was pretty satisfying seeing Freeza ring out him :)
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Post by SaiyanGod117 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:32 pm

Kale and Caulifa, two terribly written characters.
Tenshinhan: Toei/Toriyama clearly have no idea what to do with him, he became joke in Super, surpassed even by Roshi, he retired in Cell Saga, and it should stay that way. Eventually have cameo like in Buu Saga, but dont put him into frontlines.
Really, none of the human characters should be in the front lines.

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Post by TrunksTrevelyan0064 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:45 pm

Zen'ô, but only one of the two we see. I love the character but he's supposed to be the Omni-King, a.k.a. the god of everything, which should include "time" if you ask me. I would have preferred if there was only one of him.
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Post by Luso Saiyan » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:58 pm

coola wrote:Same could be said about Frost, he was literally another Freeza, introduced right after F movie arc.
No, I don't see how the same can be said about Frost. The whole point about Frost was that he was misleading everyone, including his own universe. He wasn't created to replace Freeza or to capitalize on him. Freeza already exists as a character in the series. They played with the character and audience's perception of Freeza.

Not comparable at all with Kale. Kale exists simply to capitalize on Toei's Broly. That's why the character was created, that's why it was shoehorned into the series. It was a way to pander fans and they never tried to hide it. It felt forced and the character itself came off as hollow.

The only good thing that came out of it was Toriyama's creation of Caulifla.

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Post by ironfist2020 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:16 pm

coola wrote:For now, i have two characters i wish Toei/Toriyama wouldpull away from show:

Chi-Chi: Soccer mom trope never was funny for me in sitcoms, it isnt funny anywhere else, its just annoying, and everytime she appears, i wish Goku would just blast her away :)

Tenshinhan: Toei/Toriyama clearly have no idea what to do with him, he became joke in Super, surpassed even by Roshi, he retired in Cell Saga, and it should stay that way. Eventually have cameo like in Buu Saga, but dont put him into frontlines.
he did not became a joke. he was in the manga. in the anime he disqualified 2 fighters. in ROF he beat up hundreds of frieza soldier

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Re: Characters you wish were completely removed from Super/sequels

Post by Simere » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:37 pm

Gogeta and Vegetto. Fusion is a pall over good storytelling.

I'd say Kafla too if I considered seeing Caulifla and Kale again likely.

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Post by ruler9871 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:14 pm

1. The Human fighters (except Uub if he appears). Its pretty clear by now that they aren't gonna get any real relevance of development ever again. Tien in particular was ruined in Super.

2. Chi-Chi. Toriyama hates her, Goku doesn't love her and she doesn't really contribute to the series in any way at this point.

3. The Pilaf Gang. They're useless and unfunny. Future Mai is cool but the rest are a waste of space.

The rest of the cast either need to be written better when Super returns or stay as they are.

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Post by ruler9871 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:15 pm

Simere wrote:Gogeta and Vegetto. Fusion is a pall over good storytelling.

I'd say Kafla too if I considered seeing Caulifla and Kale again likely.
Vegito was one of the highlights of the Black arc and Gogeta was one for the Broly film. Kefla is a more likable character than both Caulifla and Kale.

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Post by supersaiyanZero » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:49 pm

Kale
Caulifa
Frost
Cabba
Zeno
Jiren

All these characters are more or less useless and terribly written.

Also, any of the ToP fodder and I would have said Jaco had Toyo not started to weave galactic patrol into the lore.

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Post by head_cha_la » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:56 pm

Satan, Videl, Pan, Majin Boo, Oob, Gotenks, Kid Trunks, Goten, Gotenks, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, C-18

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Post by Jackalope89 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:03 pm

Goku. Time for the old geezer to finally retire.

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Post by sunsetshimmer » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:41 pm

Pilaf gang - in the way they are portrayed since BoG, they are annoying and except for Mai in Black saga, they are 100% irrelevant
Monaka - him being the strongest guy ever in Goku's eyes is not funny since his 'fight' with Hit and he has no other reason to exist in series
Broly - What takes place in movies should stay in movies, that's what i think. Otherwise we might get another pointless retelling like BoG and RoF.
Female Broly aka Kale - no explanation needed...
Jiren - he is so boring and generic there isn't anything interesting about him, i would rather see Toppo or Ribrianne, they are at least funny
Yamcha - if they keep him only to laugh at him and can't do anything interesting with him then it's better to completely remove this character. It's enough that community makes jokes about him that aren't funny in the first place
Zamasu - just in case anyone would have idea stupid enough to bring this awful character back lol
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Post by AnimeNation101 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:50 pm

Zeno. But not have him just completed gone as if he never existed or not show/mention him again. I want and in-universe event to happen that gets rid of the Zenos. Maybe Zalama takes the place of King of All and he believes in “hands off governing” which ensures that no matter what happens, he wont interfere and will let everything run its course.
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Post by Dbzfan94 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:14 pm

Kale, Caulifla, Jiren, Zeno, and new!Broly.

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Post by PFM18 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:39 pm

I would probably go with Monaka. He didn't really serve much of a purpose considering Goku hardly really needs any extra motivation and his power being a joke should have never been a mystery. It should be obvious to everyone. Or at least, that aspect of the character's inclusion should be removed but they can keep the gags about him passing out standing up and being a galactic delivery man.

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