Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

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Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by GodVegetto91 » Sun May 19, 2019 10:55 am

He was the one who was always highly critical of Toriyama’s writing style back in the day.. He was even the one who rejected Dr. Gero, Android 19, and later even 17 and 18.

In fact, he even rejected Cell’s Semi-Perfect Form! And thus, thanks to him, we got Perfect Cell! The coolest of the entire arc. (Toriyama was apparantly really fond of Second Form Cell, and didn’t want to lose him).

It seems Torishima is the one with the better ideas here.

What do you think?

What do you think he could mean for Toyotaro now, who obviously has some major flaws?
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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by Nokra » Sun May 19, 2019 12:03 pm

db has always been written consistently. Consistently bad.

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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by Dbzk1999 » Sun May 19, 2019 12:06 pm

I really hope people realise that Torishima is the one that read, approved, and particularly praised the script for Resurrection F.

Seriously, I doubt him being there means jack
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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by Guesswhoo » Sun May 19, 2019 12:10 pm

Toriyama is only giving outline and an anime flows is different from a manga. So, unless you talk about Toyo, the only thing DBS need (since i mainly watched the anime) is someone who can keep things consistent which is what it lacked.

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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by sintzu » Sun May 19, 2019 12:23 pm

No, because Toriyama is not writing full stories, he's writing short outlines (if even that) and Toei and Toyotaro take it from there.
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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by Grimlock » Sun May 19, 2019 1:42 pm

Dbzk1999 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 12:06 pm
I really hope people realise that Torishima is the one that read, approved, and particularly praised the script for Resurrection F.

Seriously, I doubt him being there means jack
This.

As for the question, don't know if it would be "better written", but sure as hell Dragon Ball Super would be a lot more interesting if at least someone from Dimps would work with Toriyama.

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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by Miracles » Sun May 19, 2019 3:39 pm

The Toriyama editor corrections rumor are exaggerated. They merely made him change appearances for characters.
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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by GodVegetto91 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:47 pm

Miracles wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 3:39 pm
The Toriyama editor corrections rumor are exaggerated. They merely made him change appearances for characters.
Same thing. What’s exaggerated about it?
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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by Miracles » Sun May 19, 2019 9:02 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 5:47 pm
Miracles wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 3:39 pm
The Toriyama editor corrections rumor are exaggerated. They merely made him change appearances for characters.
Same thing. What’s exaggerated about it?
People assuming Toriyama is just such a terrible writer that without his editors, Drgonball would of fell apart. After reading the interviews, you see this isn't the case.
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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by ruler9871 » Sun May 19, 2019 9:08 pm

Miracles wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 9:02 pm
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 5:47 pm
Miracles wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 3:39 pm
The Toriyama editor corrections rumor are exaggerated. They merely made him change appearances for characters.
Same thing. What’s exaggerated about it?
People assuming Toriyama is just such a terrible writer that without his editors, Drgonball would of fell apart. After reading the interviews, you see this isn't the case.
But wasn't it stated that the Buu Saga was the only arc where Toriyama had 100% freedom with the original manga?
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Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by ruler9871 » Sun May 19, 2019 9:10 pm

Not nessasarily Torishima, but someone experienced in showrunning to supervise the series would be great.
zarmack wrote:The whole "Dragonball is only supposed to be light and funny" mentality that exist in a lot of the fandom is in many ways even dumber than the "edgeload" side of the fandom. You know, the contrarians who think DB should be a Slice-of-Life series, the folks who worship Pre-Raditz Dragonball uncritically, the folks who downplay and often flat-out deny that Dragonball is an action series, the folks who try to push that false argument that none of the serious moments in the series were mean't to be taken seriously, etc.

Dragonball doesn't have a single tone. It has both silly and serious moments, both humor and drama, just like real life. The idea that a work of fiction should be only all-comedy or all-serious is unnatural and frankly, retarded.

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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by Miracles » Sun May 19, 2019 9:44 pm

ruler9871 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 9:08 pm
Miracles wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 9:02 pm
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 5:47 pm

Same thing. What’s exaggerated about it?
People assuming Toriyama is just such a terrible writer that without his editors, Drgonball would of fell apart. After reading the interviews, you see this isn't the case.
But wasn't it stated that the Buu Saga was the only arc where Toriyama had 100% freedom with the original manga?
I don't know.
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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by RecolorSaiyan » Sun May 19, 2019 11:06 pm

The torishima that worked with toriyama from slump - 23rd BT - Hell Yeah, DBS would be better

The torishima that thought Res F had a great script - not so much

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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by Dragono » Mon May 20, 2019 2:03 am

No, because Toriyama is not making manga and Torishima is a manga editor.

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Re: Do you think DBS would be better written if Torishima came back to supervise Toriyama and Toyotaro?

Post by Xeogran » Mon May 20, 2019 12:51 pm

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 10:55 am
In fact, he even rejected Cell’s Semi-Perfect Form! And thus, thanks to him, we got Perfect Cell! The coolest of the entire arc. (Toriyama was apparantly really fond of Second Form Cell, and didn’t want to lose him).
Semi Perfect Cell was good. It's kinda a counter argument if you realize that if not for Torishima, he would have better feats in that form and people would like it more.

Same for the Androids who were getting constantly swapped out as the arc went by.

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