Dragon Ball Super To Air in the UK on Pop!

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Re: Dragon Ball Super To Air in the UK on Pop!

Post by LostTimeLord » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:13 am

So, let's look as what was too hardcore for Pop:

The slightly cut down opening: https://streamable.com/m4jg1.

Episode 1: https://streamable.com/abh2z
  • "Hercule" (even though Satan is seen written down several times).
  • Most of the Boo fight in the recap is substituted, including the close ups of Goku punching Boo and the shot Vegeta fighting while coughing up blood. The surrounding shots have been noticeably slowed down, and the music/sound effects are unchanged. The close up of SS Goku has a darkening/anti-epilepsy filter added and the wide shot of him throwing the Genki Dama at Boo is a still frame.
  • Most (though not all) of the "toilet water" lines are changed. When giving their present to Videl, Goten now calls it "smelly water" and Videl replies that "it must be face wash". Similarly, Satan's line about peeing is gone (thus "powdering my nose" isn't the first half of a joke). "Smooth as a baby's butt" and "where do you get off" from the man at the perfume shop are also altered.
  • A few lines of Trunks/Goten reciting the directions they were given are cut. I assume this must be for time.
  • The second half of Trunks fighting the snake is cut.
  • Roshi just asks for movies, not "adult movies"
Episode 2: https://streamable.com/21exx
  • Vegeta punching Trunks in the Kai flashback is very choppily cut to remove the punch itself. "The stupid park" is now just "the park".
  • The squid is a "fool", not a "bastard".

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Post by wjbraden » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:05 pm

So essentially its the version airing on Toonami Africa and Australia and New Zealand, with additional cuts for connecting punches and whatnot. Nothing too surprising. I really wonder why Funimation didn't edit out the visual instances of "Mr. Satan". Laziness I would guess, but it seems to defeat the whole purpose of renaming him. I mean, wouldn't parents/offended individuals be just as upset seeing the name "Satan" written in the show as they would be hearing it? Just seems a bit odd to me.
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Post by LostTimeLord » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:51 am

To be fair, only changing the dialogue makes sense as it's the only bit that requires Funimation themselves (and the cast) to make the changes. Any broadcaster can alter the animation and whatnot, but problematic dialogue wound be a nightmare to work around if Funi hadn't provided alternate lines. Based on the simplistic way it's been edited, I wonder if the 'edited funi dub' Pop received was visually uncut.

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Post by LostTimeLord » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:29 pm

Episode 3: https://streamable.com/0z6i2
  • Being 'alive or dead' becomes 'having a halo or not' and Kaio can't keep himself "intact" rather than "alive", although references to bringing him back and getting caught in an explosion are unchanged.
  • The "bikini inspectors" are now "weirdos", and all shots of Roshi's POV are missing, as is his nosebleed at the end of the scene. Chi-chi's dialogue is unchanged and an intact long shot gives away that Roshi is staring at a beach, so the original gag is still heavily implied.
  • The ad break/eyecatcher is moved from after Berrus's bath to before
Episode 4: https://streamable.com/ua46p
  • Roshi's nosebleed is cut again for the recap, and is substituted with sounding still shots.
  • The scene of him reading porn on the ship is also cut, along with the following shot of Gyūmaō and Puar reacting.
  • Bulma punching Kuririn is cut (you can faintly hear the end of the cut line).
  • Apparently Mai's "fish food" comment is too direct a death reference; this might be because the Pilaf gang are all children. Shu's comment about digging his own grave is now an actual positive ("getting more sunshine").
  • Pilaf's line about "literally hanging around" (as they dangle from the cruise ship) is gone. The only possible reason I can think of is that it's somehow too close to 'being hanged', but that's a massive stretch.
  • The first few shots of Goten looking at the bingo prizes are gone. Again, I assume this is a time thing.
  • Pilaf is less mean to Mai/Shu and Goten/Trunks.
  • Swearing is re-worded.
Episode 5: https://streamable.com/09f9p
  • Along with removed swearing, kicking Freeza's butt becomes kicking his tail.
  • Most of Kaio's insults towards Goku have been toned down, or replaced with an exasperated "Goku..." "Stupid" becomes "silly" and for some reason "ignoramus" becomes "dumb-dumb". Presumably, imitable bad manners are a thing to watch out for, which might explain why Kaio punching Goku is left in.
  • Several shots from the Goku/Beerus fight have had their frame rate reduced. I assume this is an epilepsy thing, as happened with the ToP arc on Toonami.
  • The prospect of Breerus killing Goku is skirted around. Despite this, earlier episodes leave his destroying of entire/half planets uncut.
  • Ad break moved from Goku going SS3 to him knocking Gregory over the first time. The repeated animation of him turning SS3 that opened part 2 is cut as there's no longer a break...
  • ...This is poorly edited: If you listen closely you can still hear a note of the eyecatcher, and there's a flash-frame at the opening of Pop's new part 2: https://streamable.com/kebbc

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Post by superfan2024 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:30 pm

wjbraden wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:05 pm
So essentially its the version airing on Toonami Africa and Australia and New Zealand, with additional cuts for connecting punches and whatnot. Nothing too surprising. I really wonder why Funimation didn't edit out the visual instances of "Mr. Satan". Laziness I would guess, but it seems to defeat the whole purpose of renaming him. I mean, wouldn't parents/offended individuals be just as upset seeing the name "Satan" written in the show as they would be hearing it? Just seems a bit odd to me.
Hate to bother you, but is there a comparison you could make between all three of these versions?

- Completely uncut version (Toonami U.S. or home release/streaming)
- Edited dialogue but uncut visuals (Toonami Africa/Australia/New Zealand)
- Edited dialogue and edited visuals (Pop U.K.)

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Post by superfan2024 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:43 pm

LostTimeLord wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:29 pm
Episode 3: https://streamable.com/0z6i2
  • Being 'alive or dead' becomes 'having a halo or not' and Kaio can't keep himself "intact" rather than "alive", although references to bringing him back and getting caught in an explosion are unchanged.
  • The "bikini inspectors" are now "weirdos", and all shots of Roshi's POV are missing, as is his nosebleed at the end of the scene. Chi-chi's dialogue is unchanged and an intact long shot gives away that Roshi is staring at a beach, so the original gag is still heavily implied.
  • The ad break/eyecatcher is moved from after Berrus's bath to before
Episode 4: https://streamable.com/ua46p
  • Roshi's nosebleed is cut again for the recap, and is substituted with sounding still shots.
  • The scene of him reading porn on the ship is also cut, along with the following shot of Gyūmaō and Puar reacting.
  • Bulma punching Kuririn is cut (you can faintly hear the end of the cut line).
  • Apparently Mai's "fish food" comment is too direct a death reference; this might be because the Pilaf gang are all children. Shu's comment about digging his own grave is now an actual positive ("getting more sunshine").
  • Pilaf's line about "literally hanging around" (as they dangle from the cruise ship) is gone. The only possible reason I can think of is that it's somehow too close to 'being hanged', but that's a massive stretch.
  • The first few shots of Goten looking at the bingo prizes are gone. Again, I assume this is a time thing.
  • Pilaf is less mean to Mai/Shu and Goten/Trunks.
  • Swearing is re-worded.
Episode 5: https://streamable.com/09f9p
  • Along with removed swearing, kicking Freeza's butt becomes kicking his tail.
  • Most of Kaio's insults towards Goku have been toned down, or replaced with an exasperated "Goku..." "Stupid" becomes "silly" and for some reason "ignoramus" becomes "dumb-dumb". Presumably, imitable bad manners are a thing to watch out for, which might explain why Kaio punching Goku is left in.
  • Several shots from the Goku/Beerus fight have had their frame rate reduced. I assume this is an epilepsy thing, as happened with the ToP arc on Toonami.
  • The prospect of Breerus killing Goku is skirted around. Despite this, earlier episodes leave his destroying of entire/half planets uncut.
  • Ad break moved from Goku going SS3 to him knocking Gregory over the first time. The repeated animation of him turning SS3 that opened part 2 is cut as there's no longer a break...
  • ...This is poorly edited: If you listen closely you can still hear a note of the eyecatcher, and there's a flash-frame at the opening of Pop's new part 2: https://streamable.com/kebbc
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Post by wjbraden » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:32 pm

superfan2024 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:30 pm
wjbraden wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:05 pm
So essentially its the version airing on Toonami Africa and Australia and New Zealand, with additional cuts for connecting punches and whatnot. Nothing too surprising. I really wonder why Funimation didn't edit out the visual instances of "Mr. Satan". Laziness I would guess, but it seems to defeat the whole purpose of renaming him. I mean, wouldn't parents/offended individuals be just as upset seeing the name "Satan" written in the show as they would be hearing it? Just seems a bit odd to me.
Hate to bother you, but is there a comparison you could make between all three of these versions?

- Completely uncut version (Toonami U.S. or home release/streaming)
- Edited dialogue but uncut visuals (Toonami Africa/Australia/New Zealand)
- Edited dialogue and edited visuals (Pop U.K.)
I only have access to the first episode that aired on Toonami Africa, but the only things that are different for the Pop TV version are the edits made during the Buu fight and the time cuts LostTimeLord mentioned, no addition dialogue edits. I unfortunately don't have time for such a comparison, but I'd be more than happy to PM you what I have. :)
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Post by TheRed259 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:57 am

According to this, Pop TV has the rights only for the first 52 episodes. This could be true since there were countries like Taiwan, Spain, France and Germany that had stopped at that point in the past. It also says that the target group is kids 6-9.

This info may come from Toei Animation Europe (which is located in France) and that's why the article is written in French.

From Google translate:
Toei Animation has signed an agreement to broadcast its animated series Dragon Ball Super (52 x 25 ') on the free British TV channel Pop TV for 6-9 years, operated by Sony Pictures Television, said the studio in a statement , Monday, July 8th. The episodes are broadcast on weekends from 19h since July 1st. This is the first Toei Animation series broadcast in the UK.
In France, the series is broadcast on Toonami (WarnerMedia) and on TFX (TF1 group).

Recall that this series marks the revival by the Toei Animation studios of the Dragon Ball franchise, manga created by Akira Toriyama in 1984. Dragon Ball Super is a first sequel to the saga since 1997. The agreement was concluded at the time animated film Dragon Ball Super: Broly, of Tatsuya Nagamine, made a million pounds of recipes in the UK and made the country's second best performance for an animated film, the statement said.

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Post by 90sDBZ » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:56 am

I noticed Pop are now streaming the show on their Pop app for PS4. So this marks the first time the dub can be streamed in the UK, as I believe Crunchyroll only streamed the Japanese version. I'm guessing it's the same as their TV edit. I wonder if it's HD or not.

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:03 am

90sDBZ wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:56 am
I noticed Pop are now streaming the show on their Pop app for PS4. So this marks the first time the dub can be streamed in the UK, as I believe Crunchyroll only streamed the Japanese version. I'm guessing it's the same as their TV edit. I wonder if it's HD or not.
I believe it is in HD yes also no ads too apparently.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:20 pm

TheRed259 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:57 am
According to this, Pop TV has the rights only for the first 52 episodes.
When Kai was announced for Kix they apparently only purchased the first 53 episodes but it did well enough for the remainder of the first run to air. I'd imagine it will be a similar case for Super. I reckon coming off of Broly's success and much more merchandise in stores Super could do even better than Kai did.
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Post by LostTimeLord » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:33 pm

*These cuts were so extensive that I needed a 90 second uncut clip for comparison, which seemed too long, so I've only included the Pop version. Unlike the dialogue changes and smaller cuts, finding the uncut clip on streaming/home formats is easy enough.
** Also a few Gotenks shots. I'm not going to include these any more unless they're particularly noticeable as they're more of a technical thing and once you've seen a few you get the idea.

Episode 6: https://streamable.com/rk5fu
  • Bulma doesn't call Roshi a creep any more, but the animation of what he's doing is unchanged.
  • Russian Roulette is a no-go, even in party food context, and "too much punch" becomes "sea sickness". Oddly, Goku calling Kaio "dead", and Whis calling food "to die for" is untouched but "it's over: our lives, our planet" is changed.
  • More than half of the Beerus/King Vegeta flashback is cut.* We only see Beerus's foot on Vegeta's head in long shots, although his head being lifted by the hair is intact, and his off-screen screaming is toned down; a consequence of this is that Beerus's dialogue about respect, which comes up later with Boo, is gone. "killing" becomes more ambiguous "carnage".
  • Boo's initial attack on Berrus is cut down to the final two punches, losing a line from Whis in the process. Beerus not flinching on these might be why some punches are allowed and some aren't.
  • More swearing and insults are toned down. Even "party pooper" is too much, apparently.
Episode 7: https://streamable.com/ldox2
  • Beerus only hits Gotenks once (in close up). Listen closely for the cut Beerus line to fade out.
  • "Brat" was changed. Brat!
  • Vegeta's "what the hell..." is cut, not dubbed over.
  • 38 second cut of Vegeta panting and getting his face stepped on after Beerus throws him down onto the boat (complete with flashback to episode 6's problematic scene). There's a continuity error, as the shot of him powering down from SS is cut, and the music fades very abruptly.
  • "What did you do to my Bulma" is not longer a rhetorical question, as all shots showing the slap are cut after Beerus waves his hand. Even in the uncut version, you never see Beerus's hand connect with Bulma's face like you do in the original BoG.
  • Piccolo/Ten/18 vs Beerus has a massively lowered frame rate.**
  • POP done goofed and played both eyecatchers before the adbreak. They returned to the last beat of eyecatcher 2.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:53 am

Each time I see these edits I feel somewhat sad...until I remember just how major the exposure Pop is giving.

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Average daily reach:454,000 0.75

Weekly reach:1,702,000 2.82

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Post by LostTimeLord » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:32 am

Episode 8: https://streamable.com/m3igi
  • Beerus fighting back against Vegeta is cut, so the punch/chop are now a single attack. The close up of the chop hitting Beerus's face is cut.
  • Swearing/rudeness
Episode 9: Uncut!*
*Not identical to the Blu-ray, as the credits are timed differently to remove the Japanese cast and "Hercule" is credited. For some reason every cut episode has a smaller font for the title card, which puts the line break in a different place on this one.
BD: https://i.imgur.com/zKIG0qs.png POP: https://i.imgur.com/DXUEOvx.png

Episode 10: https://streamable.com/o8a0n
  • Kaio's "oh crap!" as part of his garbled panic is left in. Even stranger, the line after about Goku being "his problem to fix" is cut.
  • A long shot of the boat is cut down. Timing?
  • The aftermath of Beerus hitting Goku in the stomach and the hits to his face are cut. Some dialogue does with this, and the hit appears on Goku's face without reason.
  • "Dead" becomes "in trouble", but "other world" is used in both versions

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Post by LostTimeLord » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:02 am

Cure Dragon 255 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:53 am
Each time I see these edits I feel somewhat sad...until I remember just how major the exposure Pop is giving.
BARB's released the 7-day ratings for the first week; the first two episodes were 6th and 3rd, with 126,800 and 132,700 viewers respectivley, and episode 5 was 11th with 112,000. 3 & 4 weren't in the top 15 programmes.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:29 pm

THANK YOU! I really wanted to see the real ratings.Those things I posted were hardly accurate!
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Post by superfan2024 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:28 pm

LostTimeLord wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:02 am
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:53 am
Each time I see these edits I feel somewhat sad...until I remember just how major the exposure Pop is giving.
BARB's released the 7-day ratings for the first week; the first two episodes were 6th and 3rd, with 126,800 and 132,700 viewers respectivley, and episode 5 was 11th with 112,000. 3 & 4 weren't in the top 15 programmes.
Dragon Ball just does good wherever and whenever lol, what a magical series.

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Post by LostTimeLord » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:58 am

I see that the weekend repeats are gone from the schedule. Hopefully this doesn't mean that they underperformed, although it was a weird choice to schedule repeats that would drift further and further behind anyway.

Episode 11: https://streamable.com/qbeqj
78 seconds of footage cut from Goku and Beerus' fight. The cuts remove sections with fast repetitive hits or attacks to the face, as well as Beerus "stabbing" Goku with energy.

Episode 12: https://streamable.com/emd8k
  • The recap is gone.
  • Old Kaioshin's porno magazine is cut, but the line about motorboating is dubbed over with a line about bouncy balls. His expression is unaltered. This is my favourite edit so far.
  • Repetitive attacks cut again.

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Post by 90sDBZ » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:42 pm

LostTimeLord wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:02 am
Cure Dragon 255 wrote:
Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:53 am
Each time I see these edits I feel somewhat sad...until I remember just how major the exposure Pop is giving.
BARB's released the 7-day ratings for the first week; the first two episodes were 6th and 3rd, with 126,800 and 132,700 viewers respectivley, and episode 5 was 11th with 112,000. 3 & 4 weren't in the top 15 programmes.
It's worth noting that a lot of their programming is stuff really young kids would watch, like Alvin and the Chipmunks, so it could take a bit of time for it to catch on properly. I remember Kai doing much better on Kix after it had been on for awhile.

I also remember Kix changing their focus to action cartoons around the same time Kai was airing, showing Xmen Evolution, The Batman,
and Justice League, all of which previously aired on Toonami UK. Perhaps Pop will end up going the same route.

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Post by LostTimeLord » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:48 pm

For some reason 14 and 15's ending theme were in Japanese, and 14 had 'Mr. Satan' in the credits. With 15, Pop also aired the next episode preview and Toei/Funimation logos for the first time. Wierd.

Episode 13: https://streamable.com/5gjsf
Episode 14: https://streamable.com/fbvzg
A lot of small cuts to the fight. Two substantial cuts: Goku headbutting Beerus and the underwater fight.

Episode 15: https://streamable.com/mz9vf
Oh goodie, a Hercule Satan episode. Some lines where the speakers mouth is visible have to be re-worded because "Hercule" is shorter.

Now that the Beerus arc is over, I might stop doing these comprehensive comparisons, as they're time consuming and I think at this point we have a very solid idea of what's different.

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