Dragon Ball Super To Air in the UK on Pop!

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:09 pm

I would be a bit sad if you stopped but I know its a demanding task and its redundant at this point so I'm not opposed to you stopping...I would love it if you covered the more brutal episodes of the Zamasu arc though. I think those are going to be interesting.
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Post by Danfun64 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:42 pm

No, please keep going. It's hard to find the edited episodes past the Beerus saga. I especially want to see what happened to the scene in... ep 23 I think, right after Goku and Vegeta are ejected from Whis's pocked dimension. Specifically when Vegeta and Beerus are talking about "a destroyer's ass"
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Post by LostTimeLord » Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:33 pm

None of episodes 6-10 were in Pop's top 15 programmes this time.

Episode 16: https://streamable.com/u7uut
  • The most suggestive part of old Kaioshin watching the beetled is gone, kinda killing the joke.
  • Naked Goku/Krillin and some of Goku's attacks on Beerus are cut from Krillin's memory montage.
  • Krillin's ill-advised punch to the face is toned down.
  • Somehow "screwed" is left in.
Episode 17: https://streamable.com/m6k61
  • A chunk of Satan/Goten play-fighting with Pan is gone.
  • The close up of the robber's gun is gone, but he can still be seen and heard shooting in wide shots.
  • A new anti-epilepsy filter is used that blends frames and lowers the brightness instead of just reducing the frame rate. This on is more sympathetic to the original animation IMO. Example included with episode 18.
Episode 18: https://streamable.com/57blw
  • Visually uncut, but lotsa toned down toilet humour.

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Post by LostTimeLord » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:22 am

Episode 11 was Pop's 13th most watched programme of the week with 119,100 viewers.

Episode 19: https://streamable.com/vehn2
  • New opening with this episode, using the end shot from uncut episode 25's opening.
  • The fireworks lines is changed, I guess to remove the reference to doing this multiple times?
  • Most of the resurrection references are made less direct.
  • Kai footage of Trunks killing Freeza is toned down.
  • Freeza spitting out the healing green liquid is cut.
Episode 20: https://streamable.com/kslx7
  • Freeza directly mentions being "tortured" in "Earth's hell", but describing hell as "a hell" is changed. Makes perfect sense.
  • Many, many death references to change.
  • Freeza shooting Tagoma is reduced to a single shot; he doesn't react much but falls to the ground off-screen.
  • The Japanese "Four months later" caption is gone, but the subtitle translating it is still there. This is the first time subtitles have been used for the TV version.
  • Apparently "guns" as a metaphor for muscles isn't appropriate.
  • Freeza's birth/womb metaphor is cut.
I think I might prefer "leave me alone" and "I don't like explosions" over the uncut lines.

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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:38 am

"A reminder to everyone else" wasnt half bad either.
Marz wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm "Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"

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Post by LostTimeLord » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:56 pm

"What's about to happen isn't gonna be kid-friendly" - Son Goku.
Well then.

Episode 21: https://streamable.com/dexv1
  • Lots of "defeat" and "attack" as euphemisms for death. Even a reference to "the next world" is changed.
  • Lots of small cuts to Tagoma's attack on Gohan to remove all clear shots of the hole in his and Shisami's chests.
Episode 22: https://streamable.com/1vaw6
  • The recap used substituted and slowed-down shots to cover censored footage.
  • Piccolo's vs Tagoma is very toned down. The punch to Tagoma's face and Piccolo's arm being ripped off and re-grown are both gone.
  • The long shot of Tagoma being headbutted in the crotch by Gotenks is shortened.
  • Slight cuts to the Kai flashback of Trunks killing Freeza. The dialogue Reference to him being cut in half is changed, but it's still clear that's what happens in the flashback.
  • Tagoma punching Tenshinhan and him yelling in pain is gone, but the swifter attacks on the others are intact.
  • Two scenes of Gohan being "shot" by Freeza have the ki hitting him substituted with a cutaway to Freeza's finger "shooting".
  • Freeza's torture of Gohan is very toned down. He no longer shoots each limb one-by-one.
  • The close-up of the burning hole in Piccolo is gone.
Episode 23: https://streamable.com/m5271
  • Freeza is added to the opening in place of Goku flashing SSB. Again, this doesn't coincide with a change in the original episode: https://streamable.com/cih0d
  • The whole recap is cut.
  • The shot of Bulma/Goten/Trunks is held to cover the pstart of the pan over Piccolo's body.
  • One reference to Piccollo being dead is left in, but the others are changed. A reverse "my truck", I assume.
  • A Kia flashback showing blood on Freeza's face is gone.
  • A non-verbal noise from Vegeta is replaced with "too slow". :wtf:
  • Bulma throttling Jaco is cut, though he can still be seen in a headlock.
  • Piccolo "having his body back" is not "being at 100%". Goku asks to move "Piccolo", not "Piccolo's body".
  • "--" is added to the first half of the title on the NEP. :crazy:

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Post by MarioSonicU » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:39 pm

I think that "non-verbal noise" was actually Vegeta saying "Dammit" quietly.

Hey LostTimeLord, I have the Toonami broadcast audio for 26 (one of the episodes that changed Frieza's voice for the home releases), so when you do the comparison when the episode comes out on Pop, you could use it. Just PM me for it though.

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Post by LostTimeLord » Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:02 pm

MarioSonicU wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:39 pm I think that "non-verbal noise" was actually Vegeta saying "Dammit" quietly.
Listening again, it's much more obvious once I know which words to expect. Too late to edit the original post.
From now on, these videos won't contain the uncut lines if they're relatively obvious from context.

Episode 24:https://streamable.com/nw575
  • Those "- -"s are back.
  • The word "and" is removed from one of Freeza's sentences. Hmmm.
  • A few frames are cut when Freeza kicks Goku's head.
  • The extended headbutt is gone. I guess Goku intended to fly past Freeza now.
  • No next episode preview.
Episode 25:https://streamable.com/85y5b
  • Again, fighting is toned down if characters react to pain.
  • "Blood and sweat" becomes "work and sweat"
  • References to potential disintegration are gone.
  • NEP: Again, Bulma throttling Jaco is removed.

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Post by LostTimeLord » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:55 am

And we've reached the ones I haven't watched dubbed before.

Episode 26:https://streamable.com/77nju
Episode 27: https://streamable.com/fgvr1
Bonus round! Daman Mills as Freeza: https://streamable.com/4u7t0
  • Chris Ayers and Daman Mills are both credited in 26/27, but I could only hear alternate lines in 26.
  • The regular cuts to violence: removing reactions to pain, close ups and extended one-sided fighting.
  • Freeza's silent order to Sorbet is voiced in the edited version. It's silent in the Japanese and English home video versions, but this alternate line was on the Toonami broadcast (thanks MarioSonicU).
  • Goku's laser to the chest is trimmed down a lot, but we see a brief glimpse of what hit him. The recap version shows only his reaction.
  • The deflected laser going through Sorbet's chest is gone, as is his dying "...help me".
  • "Hell" is "other world".
  • It sure sounds like Goku says "just a little bitch" instead of "bit" in the uncut one. Pop seems to agree with me.
  • The ending theme, Usubeni, is in Japanese. All the endings have been since episode 14.
  • 27's NEP is cut.

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Post by LostTimeLord » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:10 pm

Episode 28-30: https://streamable.com/9p30d
  • Visually uncut. You'd think that would give me less to talk about.
  • 28/29's openings swap Freeza with Universe 6, introducing opening animation early again. The music gets louder at the very end for no reason and a brief moment from 28 is accidentally played at the start of 29: https://streamable.com/v96v3
  • 30's opening switched to Japanese, adds Jaco/Monaka early, moves the Universe 6 animation forward and reinstates SSB in the correct place; the U6 part is interlaced for some reason: https://streamable.com/e3itx
  • Again, Ayers Mills are credited as Freeza in 28, but I couldn't hear any non-censorship alternate lines.
  • Some of the fat jokes at Champa's expense are downplayed.
  • U6's Earth was "abandoned," not "wiped out". The differently-worded reference in e30 is unchanged.
  • Technically, by changing "hell yeah" to "all right", they've made to dub more accurate to their own subtitles.
  • Beerus' thinks about making the universe "disappear" instead of 'wiping it out'.
  • Goku talking about Boo vs Beerus is re-worded slightly and I don't understand why. Also, "back in our world" is used as a euphemism for "reincarnation".
  • Because "Hercule" is shorter than "Me Satan", Boo gets to add "best friend". What a wholesome bit of censorship.

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Post by LostTimeLord » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:30 pm

So yeah, the dubbed Bulma and Zuno scenes are a bit of an unfortunate watch with the context we have now.

Episode 31: https://streamable.com/dpt6f
  • Bulma pseudo-flirting with Jaco, his comment about her age and the resulting punch are cut.
  • Vegeta's warning about "funny business" becomes "flirting".
  • The fight between Jaco and the frog bloke is toned down.
  • The running gag about Bulma's chest is now about her gaining weight. The size Zuno claims is the same in both versions.
  • Zuno's dialogue is cut to remove the obvious sexuality of the "tributes", so the jokes about attractiveness getting more questions are gone and Jaco's one question compared to Bulma's three is unexplained. You can see the background jump forward when a cut is made to the middle of the "would the older earth female" line; as this line doesn't sync up with the uncut one, Pop have presumably cut the middle out of a substituted "waist size" line.

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Post by wjbraden » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:21 pm

Really bizarre things with the openings and closings. During the first round of airings on Toonami here in the US, we switched back and forth between the English and Japanese versions of the opening and endings, likely due to red tape with Toei and not having time to dicker with it since they needed to meet a broadcast schedule, but that shouldn't apply here since these are episodes that aired over two years ago. I wonder who's to blame here for all this overall sloppiness: Funimation, Pop, Toei, or a combination of all of the above?

I also noticed that the blood on Goku's face in those Namek flashbacks were entirely unaltered. Maybe people in the UK think differently, but it seems like a double-standard to cut out instances of things like connecting punches, but keep gushing blood intact.
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Post by LostTimeLord » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:29 am

Starting next week (Sep 2nd), Super gets a second episode added to its weekday slot and we'll get ten "new" episodes a week. Up to episode 55 is listed on EPGs, so Pop have apparently ordered more episodes than the 52 they started with.

Episode 32/33:https://streamable.com/z1i0e
Episode 34/35:https://streamable.com/iczxu
  • Mr Popo's brief appearance is cut
  • The toilet humour is changed to Krillin doing is hair and Boo needing a shower. "Bathroom related complications" is used later, which still makes sense but also doesn't seem to take the previous changes into account.
  • Monaka means "torso", not "nipples". Come on guys, everybody has nipples.
  • Monaka whimpering after Goku punches him in the face is gone.
  • Even terms like "knock you out", "taken that blast", "venom" (Frost's attack), "weapons" and "poisoned" are substituted.
  • Some minor trims to the fights.
  • A shot of Piccollo charging his attack is inserted into Beerus and Champa talking about adding a barrier.
  • Hit is an "enforcer" rather than an "assassin".
  • "That's insane" becomes "that's intense".
  • Episode 31 onward have used the pre-2016 Toei animation logo, so they've gone backwards for some reason.

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Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:19 pm

LostTimeLord wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:29 am Up to episode 55 is listed on EPGs, so Pop have apparently ordered more episodes than the 52 they started with.
That's great, Super must be doing well for Pop if they're willing to purchase more episodes.

Would be nice to have it aired in its entirety before the year's out, especially the Tournament of Power arc episodes as the kids watching it now will be able to ask their parents to buy them Manga UK's Parts 7-9 as a christmas present.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:37 pm

Can you please tell me how to see the ratings for Pop after 2018 so I can see Dragon Ball Super?
Marz wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm "Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"

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Post by LostTimeLord » Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:38 am

Episode 35 (Vegeta vs Frost) was Pop's 12 most watched programme of that week with 106,000 viewers.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:37 pm Can you please tell me how to see the ratings for Pop after 2018 so I can see Dragon Ball Super?
You want the Four Screen Dashboard: https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/fou ... dashboard/
This only tells you the week's top 15 programmes for a given channel (or group of channels), though, which is why I've only been able to relay a handful of ratings in this thread.

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Post by DBZimran » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:05 am

LostTimeLord wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:38 am Episode 35 (Vegeta vs Frost) was Pop's 12 most watched programme of that week with 106,000 viewers.
Cure Dragon 255 wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:37 pm Can you please tell me how to see the ratings for Pop after 2018 so I can see Dragon Ball Super?
You want the Four Screen Dashboard: https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/fou ... dashboard/
This only tells you the week's top 15 programmes for a given channel (or group of channels), though, which is why I've only been able to relay a handful of ratings in this thread.
Big difference to the early 2000s when Dragon Ball Z new episodes were pulling in 2x to 3x these numbers.
I go through the original DBZ UK ratings here @ 3:15 https://youtu.be/fjuBcdP-DHU

Clearly kids are not watching live TV anywhere near to what they used to. Youtube and portable tablets have taken up a large portion of the audience share.
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Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:05 am

Yes! Thank you! I finally got the hang of it!
Marz wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:27 pm "Well, the chapter was good, the story was good and so were the fights. But a new transformation, in Dragon Ball? And one that's ugly? This is where we draw the line!!! Jump the Shark moment!!"

This forum is so over-dramatic that it's not even funny.
90sDBZ wrote: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm19 years ago I was rushing home from school to watch DBZ on Cartoon Network, and today I've rushed home from work to watch DBS on Pop. I guess it's true the more things change the more they stay the same. :lol:

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Post by LostTimeLord » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:42 am

Episode 36 and 37 (Vegeta vs Magetta and the start of Vegeta vs Cabba) were 3rd and 7th with 115,200 and 105,400 viewers.
Monday 16th is scheduled to be episode 66 and then episode 1. I wonder if they're looping back to the beginning or if they're going to use the hour timeslot for a 'new' and old episode.

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Post by LostTimeLord » Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:46 pm

Pop made a mind boggling mistake tonight: they aired the first half of episodes 54 and 55 twice instead of the full episodes. I wonder if they'll add a repeat into the schedule to make up for that; 56/57 are still listed for Monday.

Also, it's now listed that from Tuesday 17th both weekday episodes will be repeats.

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