SSGSS Evolution is a Disgustingly Bad, Ugly Transformation

[mute_proxy]

Well if Toriyama wrote that Black had two different Super Saiyan forms, and Rosè also coincidentally turns out to be the opposite color of the one used for Super Saiyan Blue, then it’s fair to say thay Toriyama intended Rosè to be the equivalent of Blue and, in fact, had no problem with Toyotaro confirming it as such.

It’s not even rocket science if we consider how Toriyama writes Blue to be very strong, so of course a Goku-clone would use a form that is close to it.

Toei kept it very vague for some reason. As they also did with Black’s continuous power-ups.

It seems you're not allowed to assume anything based on any information provided. Nothing is true unless something is specifically stated. I mean if Toriyama saying that Goku Black has two forms, regular SS and a pink one, isn't enough to confirm SSRose is equivalent to SSB (because he doesn't specifically state "SSRose is equivalent to SSB") then what's the point. Shit's probably equivalent to SS4.

These guys are here to argue, not to discuss, let's just stop.

[ankokudaishogun]

it's also quite possible the whole thing was written BEFORE they did decide to use again the Non-Divine SS forms.

If we take it as being from when Goku would not transform in SS1-3 anymore but straight to Blue, Black going straight to Rosé makes sense.
Likewise his great power in base: he was a "Sayan Beyond God" as in "Saiyan with the power of a God without transforming"

In the end, Blue is God Ki+Super Saiyan.
Given Black only had God Ki, it makes sense he would go straight to his iteration of Blue(aka Rosé) once transforming into Super Saiyan.


The manga otherwise had the benefit of coming MUCH later than the anime and could streamline some concepts, like "forcing" Black to go through normal Super Saiyan forms until he adapted to Goku's body enough through zenkai


(btw Toriyama's draft was probably something like "the new enemy is Goku possessed by a God from the future of Future Trunks! Trunks got much stronger but the new enemy is still too strong! When he turns into Super Saiyan, his hair are pink! Once transformed, only Vegeta and Goku working together can defeat him!")

[SupremeKai25]

You either don’t pay attention or you’re unable to grasp the situation and analyse it. What Black did was stupid, period. I can understand manga Black getting desperate, but anime Black has already ripped a dimensional hole(or something) and was kicking Goku and Vegeta around with his clones. Not to mention Black improved in an incredibly short amount of time, he had no reason to consider fusion other than the writers called for it. This is bad writing, it isn’t subjective, Black was not struggling the least with Goku and Vegeta, just because Zamasu’s ki disappeared for a second doesn’t mean it calls for fusion.

Tell me something that happened in Dragon Ball without the writers calling for it. Spoilers: there is nothing. Because this is fiction, anything that happens is because the writers wanted it to happen.

Also how was it bad writing? Black learned that there was a weapon that could take out his immortal partner and thus thwart his entire plan, so he decided to fuse to make sure they couldn't get singled out again. And no, it wasn't just "Zamasu's ki disappearing for a second" that made him call for fusion, it was Future Zamasu literally telling him that they made a grave miscalculation, that mortals couldn't be underestimated again, and that they had the potential to shatter their plans.

He also wasn't really stupid... just very overreactive because he did not want to take any chances, especially after he had come so far and had sacrificed so much for his plan.

[Grimlock]

Every other time Goku or Vegeta went SSGSS, they called it SSB, not ‘a Super Saiyan’.

This argument falls apart when you take into consideration that every time Son and Co use SSGSS, it’s not just referred to as “Super Saiyan” like I said previously incase you missed that.

Nope. Vegeta refers Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan as "Super Saiyan" in Movie 15 and I think in Toei's retelling too.

I don’t understand why you keep arguing in favor of Black’s Rosé being SSGSS when it’s not

Because that is precisely what Super Saiyan Rosé is.

[Miracles]

Be grateful OP. That form is a TOEI only original creation. It's not in Toriyama's movies.

But its in the DBS Manga, along with UI Omen (which was also a Toei creation, and better than Toriyama's MUI).

It's still not in the canon Toriyama movies. That's all that counts.

Toriyama himself wrote that Black has the golden SSJ like Goku and then Super Saiyan Rose of a different color from Blue. Which means Rose is Black's SSGSS form.

Regardless of what TOEI or Toyotaro writes, since this is Toriyama's story. Big ups to Toyotaro following this plot point from Toriyama tho. TOEI gave no in story explanation.

Toriyama barely writes any story for Super besides the Broly movie. All he does is give a vague outline of major events that's meant to happen (which isn't a strong basis for a story at all).

Also, SSJ Rose being Black's equal to SSB was Toyotaro's idea, not Toriyama's (where did he ever say this about SSJ Rose?).

And in the anime, Toei explained that SSJ Rose was Black's equal to SSJ1 (on top of his strong base).

TOEI didn't explain anything about Black's forms. They just said he could go SSJ, lol. I posted the link where Toriyama's notes has Black able to go SSJ and then a SSJ of a different color from Goku's. That obviously means Black's Rose.Which isn't Toyotaro's idea since he followed that model note Toriyama gave. Having Black go SSJ and then SSJ Rose. As Toyotaro has stated, he does not deviate from Toriyama's main plot points. BTW, Toryima also wrote BoG and RoF, not just Broly. The Super series is adapted from BoG and RoF and his outlines. This is still his story, TOEI and Toyotaro are not coming up with the narrative. They get the main plot from Toriyama and fill in the gaps to get from the main point of Toriyma's story to the completion of it.

[Sadala Elite]

Be grateful OP. That form is a TOEI only original creation. It's not in Toriyama's movies.

But its in the DBS Manga, along with UI Omen (which was also a Toei creation, and better than Toriyama's MUI).

It's still not in the canon Toriyama movies. That's all that counts.

Toriyama himself wrote that Black has the golden SSJ like Goku and then Super Saiyan Rose of a different color from Blue. Which means Rose is Black's SSGSS form.

Regardless of what TOEI or Toyotaro writes, since this is Toriyama's story. Big ups to Toyotaro following this plot point from Toriyama tho. TOEI gave no in story explanation.

Toriyama barely writes any story for Super besides the Broly movie. All he does is give a vague outline of major events that's meant to happen (which isn't a strong basis for a story at all).

Also, SSJ Rose being Black's equal to SSB was Toyotaro's idea, not Toriyama's (where did he ever say this about SSJ Rose?).

And in the anime, Toei explained that SSJ Rose was Black's equal to SSJ1 (on top of his strong base).

TOEI didn't explain anything about Black's forms. They just said he could go SSJ, lol. I posted the link where Toriyama's notes has Black able to go SSJ and then a SSJ of a different color from Goku's. That obviously means Black's Rose.Which isn't Toyotaro's idea since he followed that model note Toriyama gave. Having Black go SSJ and then SSJ Rose. As Toyotaro has stated, he does not deviate from Toriyama's main plot points. BTW, Toryima also wrote BoG and RoF, not just Broly. The Super series is adapted from BoG and RoF and his outlines. This is still his story, TOEI and Toyotaro are not coming up with the narrative. They get the main plot from Toriyama and fill in the gaps to get from the main point of Toriyma's story to the completion of it.

That's the explanation, you just contradicted yourself.

And an outline is NOT a plot, let alone a full story.

And the DBS Broly film was design to fit both the anime and manga continuities, that's why CSSB, SSBKK and SSBE aren't in the movie (hell, Toriyama in an January 2018 interview said the film is immediately after the anime).

[Grimlock]

And the DBS Broly film was design to fit both the anime and manga continuities, that's why CSSB, SSBKK and SSBE aren't in the movie

Let's see if I can finally understand the logic here:

So in order to a movie to fit two completely different continuities they needed to get rid of all those forms? Why? How? Shouldn't be the other way around?

If the movie was meant to fit both continuities, shouldn't Goku and Vegeta have used all those forms since all of them are stronger than the regular Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan? What exactly makes the not usage of those forms in the movie be compatible with both continuities?

[Miracles]

But its in the DBS Manga, along with UI Omen (which was also a Toei creation, and better than Toriyama's MUI).

It's still not in the canon Toriyama movies. That's all that counts.

Toriyama barely writes any story for Super besides the Broly movie. All he does is give a vague outline of major events that's meant to happen (which isn't a strong basis for a story at all).

Also, SSJ Rose being Black's equal to SSB was Toyotaro's idea, not Toriyama's (where did he ever say this about SSJ Rose?).

And in the anime, Toei explained that SSJ Rose was Black's equal to SSJ1 (on top of his strong base).

TOEI didn't explain anything about Black's forms. They just said he could go SSJ, lol. I posted the link where Toriyama's notes has Black able to go SSJ and then a SSJ of a different color from Goku's. That obviously means Black's Rose.Which isn't Toyotaro's idea since he followed that model note Toriyama gave. Having Black go SSJ and then SSJ Rose. As Toyotaro has stated, he does not deviate from Toriyama's main plot points. BTW, Toryima also wrote BoG and RoF, not just Broly. The Super series is adapted from BoG and RoF and his outlines. This is still his story, TOEI and Toyotaro are not coming up with the narrative. They get the main plot from Toriyama and fill in the gaps to get from the main point of Toriyma's story to the completion of it.

That's the explanation, you just contradicted yourself.

And an outline is NOT a plot, let alone a full story.

And the DBS Broly film was design to fit both the anime and manga continuities, that's why CSSB, SSBKK and SSBE aren't in the movie (hell, Toriyama in an January 2018 interview said the film is immediately after the anime).

The DBS Broly film is solely written by Toriyama and he doesn't have any forms from the anime or manga in them. It isn't to fit both anime and manga, that's just your headcanon. The outline is the main plot points which TOEI and Toyotaro adapt from. They do not make up their own stories, they only fill in the gaps on how to get from point A to B in Toriyama's plot line. Yes, factually, it's the plot of Super. Also, learn to read a post in it's entire context. The anime did not explain how this is Blacks SSJ, when Toriyama himself stated Black is supposed to go SSJ and then Rose in his notes, just like Toyotaro followed.

[Sadala Elite]

And the DBS Broly film was design to fit both the anime and manga continuities, that's why CSSB, SSBKK and SSBE aren't in the movie

Let's see if I can finally understand the logic here:

So in order to a movie to fit two completely different continuities they needed to get rid of all those forms? Why? How? Shouldn't be the other way around?

If the movie was meant to fit both continuities, shouldn't Goku and Vegeta have used all those forms since all of them are stronger than the regular Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan? What exactly makes the not usage of those forms in the movie be compatible with both continuities?

Because SSBKK doesn't exist in the manga, and CSSB doesnt exist in the anime. So by including neither in the movie, the film could fit in both contintuies.

[Sadala Elite]

It's still not in the canon Toriyama movies. That's all that counts.

TOEI didn't explain anything about Black's forms. They just said he could go SSJ, lol. I posted the link where Toriyama's notes has Black able to go SSJ and then a SSJ of a different color from Goku's. That obviously means Black's Rose.Which isn't Toyotaro's idea since he followed that model note Toriyama gave. Having Black go SSJ and then SSJ Rose. As Toyotaro has stated, he does not deviate from Toriyama's main plot points. BTW, Toryima also wrote BoG and RoF, not just Broly. The Super series is adapted from BoG and RoF and his outlines. This is still his story, TOEI and Toyotaro are not coming up with the narrative. They get the main plot from Toriyama and fill in the gaps to get from the main point of Toriyma's story to the completion of it.

That's the explanation, you just contradicted yourself.

And an outline is NOT a plot, let alone a full story.

And the DBS Broly film was design to fit both the anime and manga continuities, that's why CSSB, SSBKK and SSBE aren't in the movie (hell, Toriyama in an January 2018 interview said the film is immediately after the anime).

The DBS Broly film is solely written by Toriyama and he doesn't have any forms from the anime or manga in them. It isn't to fit both anime and manga, that's just your headcanon. The outline is the main plot points which TOEI and Toyotaro adapt from. They do not make up their own stories, they only fill in the gaps on how to get from point A to B in Toriyama's plot line. Yes, factually, it's the plot of Super. Also, learn to read a post in it's entire context. The anime did not explain how this is Blacks SSJ, when Toriyama himself stated Black is supposed to go SSJ and then Rose in his notes, just like Toyotaro followed.

Then you obviously weren't paying attention, because Black himself said in the anime when he 1st revealed SSJR that he simply went SSJ1 and choose to make it pink because he likes the color.

The director for DBS Broly said in an interview that the movie was meant to fit both versions of Super (that's why Toyotaro skips it in the manga), and Toriyama himself obviously wrote the script with the anime version in mind because he said back in Jan 2018 that the movie is immediately after the ToP anime.

[Miracles]

That's the explanation, you just contradicted yourself.

And an outline is NOT a plot, let alone a full story.

And the DBS Broly film was design to fit both the anime and manga continuities, that's why CSSB, SSBKK and SSBE aren't in the movie (hell, Toriyama in an January 2018 interview said the film is immediately after the anime).

The DBS Broly film is solely written by Toriyama and he doesn't have any forms from the anime or manga in them. It isn't to fit both anime and manga, that's just your headcanon. The outline is the main plot points which TOEI and Toyotaro adapt from. They do not make up their own stories, they only fill in the gaps on how to get from point A to B in Toriyama's plot line. Yes, factually, it's the plot of Super. Also, learn to read a post in it's entire context. The anime did not explain how this is Blacks SSJ, when Toriyama himself stated Black is supposed to go SSJ and then Rose in his notes, just like Toyotaro followed.

Then you obviously weren't paying attention, because Black himself said in the anime when he 1st revealed SSJR that he simply went SSJ1 and choose to make it pink because he likes the color.

The director for DBS Broly said in an interview that the movie was meant to fit both versions of Super (that's why Toyotaro skips it in the manga), and Toriyama himself obviously wrote the script with the anime version in mind because he said back in Jan 2018 that the movie is immediately after the ToP anime.

Toriyama said that the movie takes place after the anime in general. Since TOEI's TOP was over with. Not that it canoncially followed the anime's story. Again, if it did, he would of had their forms in it. I don't remember the director making such a statement. You are going to have to back yourself up on that one, with a source. As for TOEI's Rose, they make no explanation to what it is, but give implications it's his version of Blue...





The same level of Goku is BLUE, not SSJ. TOEI's writing is a mess with their non clarifications.

[Sadala Elite]

The DBS Broly film is solely written by Toriyama and he doesn't have any forms from the anime or manga in them. It isn't to fit both anime and manga, that's just your headcanon. The outline is the main plot points which TOEI and Toyotaro adapt from. They do not make up their own stories, they only fill in the gaps on how to get from point A to B in Toriyama's plot line. Yes, factually, it's the plot of Super. Also, learn to read a post in it's entire context. The anime did not explain how this is Blacks SSJ, when Toriyama himself stated Black is supposed to go SSJ and then Rose in his notes, just like Toyotaro followed.

Then you obviously weren't paying attention, because Black himself said in the anime when he 1st revealed SSJR that he simply went SSJ1 and choose to make it pink because he likes the color.

The director for DBS Broly said in an interview that the movie was meant to fit both versions of Super (that's why Toyotaro skips it in the manga), and Toriyama himself obviously wrote the script with the anime version in mind because he said back in Jan 2018 that the movie is immediately after the ToP anime.

Toriyama said that the movie takes place after the anime in general. Since TOEI's TOP was over with. Not that it canoncially followed the anime's story. Again, if it did, he would of had their forms in it. I don't remember the director making such a statement. You are going to have to back yourself up on that one, with a source. As for TOEI's Rose, they make no explanation to what it is, but give implications it's his version of Blue...





The same level of Goku is BLUE, not SSJ. TOEI's writing is a mess with their non clarifications.

You aren't making any sense. Toriyama wouldn't have said the film takes place after the ToP anime if it didnt take the anime's story into account (that's basic logic).

And those quotes from the Black arc anime didn't say that its his version of SSB, only that Black has reached a same level of POWER as Goku with Rose (you dont need the same exact transformation to reach the same level of power).
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[Miracles]

Then you obviously weren't paying attention, because Black himself said in the anime when he 1st revealed SSJR that he simply went SSJ1 and choose to make it pink because he likes the color.

The director for DBS Broly said in an interview that the movie was meant to fit both versions of Super (that's why Toyotaro skips it in the manga), and Toriyama himself obviously wrote the script with the anime version in mind because he said back in Jan 2018 that the movie is immediately after the ToP anime.

Toriyama said that the movie takes place after the anime in general. Since TOEI's TOP was over with. Not that it canoncially followed the anime's story. Again, if it did, he would of had their forms in it. I don't remember the director making such a statement. You are going to have to back yourself up on that one, with a source. As for TOEI's Rose, they make no explanation to what it is, but give implications it's his version of Blue...





The same level of Goku is BLUE, not SSJ. TOEI's writing is a mess with their non clarifications.

You aren't making any sense. Toriyama wouldn't have said the film takes place after the ToP anime if it didnt take the anime's story into account (that's basic logic).

And those quotes from the Black arc anime didn't say that its his version of SSB, only that Black has reached a same level of POWER as Goku with Rose (you dont need the same exact transformation to reach the same level of power).
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I said TOEI gave the implication, as if Rose was Goku Blacks Blue form due to it's lack of explanation of Rose. Those images you posted mean nothing cause it's not in the show in order to clarify. Also, Toriyama does not have TOEI's forms in his movie therefore it factually does not continue canoncially from TOEI's Super. That's just you trying too hard to cheer lead for TOEI.

[Sadala Elite]

Toriyama said that the movie takes place after the anime in general. Since TOEI's TOP was over with. Not that it canoncially followed the anime's story. Again, if it did, he would of had their forms in it. I don't remember the director making such a statement. You are going to have to back yourself up on that one, with a source. As for TOEI's Rose, they make no explanation to what it is, but give implications it's his version of Blue...





The same level of Goku is BLUE, not SSJ. TOEI's writing is a mess with their non clarifications.

You aren't making any sense. Toriyama wouldn't have said the film takes place after the ToP anime if it didnt take the anime's story into account (that's basic logic).

And those quotes from the Black arc anime didn't say that its his version of SSB, only that Black has reached a same level of POWER as Goku with Rose (you dont need the same exact transformation to reach the same level of power).
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I said TOEI gave the implication, as if Rose was Goku Blacks Blue form due to it's lack of explanation of Rose. Those images you posted mean nothing cause it's not in the show. Also, Toriyama does not have TOEI's forms in his movie therefore it factually does not continue canoncially from TOEI's Super. That's just you trying too hard to cheer lead for TOEI.

You are just denying facts out of bias. The official Toei guide clearly says that in the anime Rose = SSJ1. So be it.

"Those images you posted mean nothing cause it's not in the show"

This is like saying Toriyama's comments mean nothing because they're not in the manga. It makes no sense.

[Miracles]

You aren't making any sense. Toriyama wouldn't have said the film takes place after the ToP anime if it didnt take the anime's story into account (that's basic logic).

And those quotes from the Black arc anime didn't say that its his version of SSB, only that Black has reached a same level of POWER as Goku with Rose (you dont need the same exact transformation to reach the same level of power).
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I said TOEI gave the implication, as if Rose was Goku Blacks Blue form due to it's lack of explanation of Rose. Those images you posted mean nothing cause it's not in the show. Also, Toriyama does not have TOEI's forms in his movie therefore it factually does not continue canoncially from TOEI's Super. That's just you trying too hard to cheer lead for TOEI.

You are just denying facts out of bias. The official Toei guide clearly says that in the anime Rose = SSJ1. So be it.

"Those images you posted mean nothing cause it's not in the show"

This is like saying Toriyama's comments mean nothing because they're not in the manga. It makes no sense.

They didn't have it in the series, the actual story, in order to define what it actually is like Toriyama and Toyotaro did. That's' the point. That's due to their bad writing. Nothing bias about that but straight up facts.

[The Undying]

You aren't making any sense. Toriyama wouldn't have said the film takes place after the ToP anime if it didnt take the anime's story into account (that's basic logic).

Toriyama didn't say that.

What he specifically said is that the movie would be the next story after the one that was "currently airing on TV". That's not a statement about continuity, it's just clarification that Broly occurs after the Universe Survival arc - which, at the time, was being conveyed in anime form.

There are zero official declarations from anyone involved in the film that Broly specifically takes the anime's story into account. It takes Super's story as a general franchise into account.

[Aim]

Tell me something that happened in Dragon Ball without the writers calling for it. Spoilers: there is nothing. Because this is fiction, anything that happens is because the writers wanted it to happen.

Okay...so bad writing doesn’t exist period, because it was ‘meant to happen’.

Also how was it bad writing? Black learned that there was a weapon that could take out his immortal partner and thus thwart his entire plan, so he decided to fuse to make sure they couldn't get singled out again. And no, it wasn't just "Zamasu's ki disappearing for a second" that made him call for fusion, it was Future Zamasu literally telling him that they made a grave miscalculation, that mortals couldn't be underestimated again, and that they had the potential to shatter their plans.

Zamasu didn’t see Black improving so quickly once again, Black shouldn’t have gone through with it, at this point Black and Zamasu could have slaughtered everyone eventually.

The ‘weapon’ you speak of failed, and it was about the only thing that could have stopped Zamasu apart from Zeno or other Gods.

He also wasn't really stupid... just very overreactive because he did not want to take any chances, especially after he had come so far and had sacrificed so much for his plan.

He was incredibly stupid...he got so powerful within a short amount of time and didn’t even bother reassuring Zamasu. At this point you’re looking for reasons to justify this mistake. Goku Black in the anime was a lot more calm than in the manga.

Nope. Vegeta refers Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan as "Super Saiyan" in Movie 15 and I think in Toei's retelling too.

Nope, in Toei’s adaptation they referred to it as “that that has surpassed Super Saiyan”. You are bringing up one mention of SSGSS being called Super Saiyan, the majority of the time it is referred to by Blue in Super.

Because that is precisely what Super Saiyan Rosé is.

No hun, that’s what you want it to be. In the manga it’s SSGSS, in the anime it’s even been stated by Dragon Ball Park Monthly to be a “Goku Black version of Super Saiyan” and it matches SSGSS in strength.

If you want to think that, be my guest, but the anime is way different than what Toriyama envisioned, and nothing you say will change that, at this point you’re projecting head canon.

The same level of Goku is BLUE, not SSJ. TOEI's writing is a mess with their non clarifications.

Because he knows about regular Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. It matches SSGSS in strength but it isn’t his version of SSGSS. Whenever Son and the others spoke of Rosé they never mentioned “Godly Super Saiyan”, “Past a Super Saiyan”, they only refer to it as “Super Saiyan”, because it’s a Goku Black version of Super Saiyan, period, Zamasu knew about Goku and those forms, how do you think he came to steal his body? Toei’s writing is bad, but you have no leg to stand on in this argument.

TOEI didn't explain anything about Black's forms. They just said he could go SSJ, lol. I posted the link where Toriyama's notes has Black able to go SSJ and then a SSJ of a different color from Goku's. That obviously means Black's Rose.Which isn't Toyotaro's idea since he followed that model note Toriyama gave. Having Black go SSJ and then SSJ Rose. As Toyotaro has stated, he does not deviate from Toriyama's main plot points. BTW, Toryima also wrote BoG and RoF, not just Broly. The Super series is adapted from BoG and RoF and his outlines. This is still his story, TOEI and Toyotaro are not coming up with the narrative. They get the main plot from Toriyama and fill in the gaps to get from the main point of Toriyma's story to the completion of it.

Toei drifts very far from Toriyama’s plot outlines. Not to mention his notes are very vague, Super Saiyan of a different hair color can be perceived in different ways especially under the amount of pressure they were under at the time, they simply made a mistake. As unfortunate as it is, Rosé is different from Toriyama’s idea as well as Toyotaro.

[Miracles]

The same level of Goku is BLUE, not SSJ. TOEI's writing is a mess with their non clarifications.

Because he knows about regular Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. It matches SSGSS in strength but it isn’t his version of SSGSS. Whenever Son and the others spoke of Rosé they never mentioned “Godly Super Saiyan”, “Past a Super Saiyan”, they only refer to it as “Super Saiyan”, because it’s a Goku Black version of Super Saiyan, period, Zamasu knew about Goku and those forms, how do you think he came to steal his body? Toei’s writing is bad, but you have no leg to stand on in this argument.

I'm not debating whether Rose is Black's SSJ or not. I'm saying that TOEI's writing didn't explain how, when SSJ is blonde.

Toei drifts very far from Toriyama’s plot outlines. Not to mention his notes are very vague, Super Saiyan of a different hair color can be perceived in different ways especially under the amount of pressure they were under at the time, they simply made a mistake. As unfortunate as it is, Rosé is different from Toriyama’s idea as well as Toyotaro.

That's fine. I'm not saying that it is the same. However, what Toriyama writes, is what only counts.

[Psajdak]

Toriyama said this, Toriyama said that...

[Grimlock]

Because SSBKK doesn't exist in the manga, and CSSB doesnt exist in the anime. So by including neither in the movie, the film could fit in both contintuies.

That doesn't make sense at all. If that were the case, then it really should've been the other way around. If Goku and Vegeta had stronger forms at their disposal, then they should have used them, maybe fusion wouldn't even be necessary. If the movie is meant to fit both continuities, why didn't Goku and Vegeta use any of those forms?