Grimlock wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:45 pm
MechaTrunks wrote: ↑
Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:54 am
The tayoken is an easy technique that both Goku and Krilin learned on their own.
Alright, I went to check the full history of this and you're all halfway correct.
Tenshinhan uses Taiyo-ken twice before anyone else could imitate it. The first time he blinded everyone (it's already a bit of a stretch to think someone can learn a technique while blinded, let alone when you're running for your life from a pink behemoth while protecting a kid but anyway). The second time he uses it was against Goku, but the latter was wearing sunglasses, blinding everyone else. Goku literally saw the technique so that he could learn/practice it, it was not "on his own".
Kuririn first uses Taiyo-ken against Dodoria, despite being blinded or not being present all the times the technique was used previously. But if Kuririn can use it despite all odds against him, then probably Gohan somehow learned it when Kuririn used it even though he was busy saving his and Dende's lives. But the fact we don't even get to see Gohan using the technique does make it hard to believe that's the case.
Well, the fact that the technique blinds you as a result doesn't mean that one can't see the preparation of the technique (how to position he hands, how to concentrate the ki on them before the big flashing light comes out, etc.).
In the end what matters is that canonically (Krilin explains it when Cell uses the tayoken to hide) it's one of the easiest techniques one can learn in the series, one that Gohan knew it's existence of and one that made a lot of sense he would learn in the context of constantly hidding from the two androids.
I mean, I find completely logical that you would have taken a different path regarding Trunks than the one the manga took, but you can't say that the path the manga took is ilogical because it can be justified fairly well with the previously stablished canon of the series.
Witty User Name wrote:Since I am a stubborn motherfuc*ker, I will say one more thing. IF IT ISN'T A PLOTHOLE, WHY THE ANIME CHANGED IT? Check out episode 122 and see if Trunks even mentions the numbers of the Androids. He doesn't. Toei's writers must have realized this was A STORY MISTAKE and changed it. The manga, however, states 19 and 20 especifically and says they killed Dr. Gero (which creates even more a plothole, I think).
If not, and I am wrong, why would the anime omit such a key piece of information?
I think you're right but for the wrong reasons. The anime chaning something from the manga and making it worse it's the usual norm, so it being different on the manga than on the anime doesn't mean it's an error from the manga.
But on the other hand, Trunks speaks of #19 and #20 and then when he sees #17 and #18 (the ones he clearly says are the androids from his future) he doesn't call them #19 and #20 but #17 and #18 as well and never ever again adresses them as anything else than #17 and #18.
That's why it's a retcon, because it's an internal incoherence from the manga and not because in the anime they changed it (in that case, for the better).