Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

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Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:05 am

This is the idea I have in mind, for an Arc in the future, after Goku has fully mastered Ultra Instinct, and Vegeta has officially actualized all of his inner latent potential via SPIRIT CONTROL. Where the true potential unlock for him has been DONE!

And also after both have of them have fought, defeated, and surpassed the mighty Lord Beerus himself!

So about this Demon Realm...

Instead of fighting Evil KAIOSHINS....

They should be fighting Evil ANGELS!

Because only these will present a true threath and challenge!

So I imagine there would be like 12 Evil counterparts to the regular Angels
(Who are actually NEUTRAL! But you get the point!).

Now the first 5 or 6 Angels will be a lot weaker than Whis.. Allowing Goku and Vegeta to fight against, and beat them. But only the other 6, will be on Whis’ level, and beyond!

Now each of these Angels, (even the weakest one!) will already be stronger than Beerus! The strongest God of Destruction!

What do you think about this story line?

Goku and Vegeta will be progressing through them, one level at a time! Just like on Babidi’s spaceship! Hell, they could even take Broly with them! To replace Gohan as the 3rd Man/Saiyan from the Babidi Saga!😂 Good old times!

Because fighting random space aliens, like Jiren and Hit, is just an insult to these godly powerful Saiyan divinities in MUI Goku and Spirit Control Vegeta!
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Re: Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by theherodjl » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:36 am

I like the idea of the Makaio & Makaioshin more, the guidebooks confirmed their existence over a decade ago and they have yet to make a single, physical appearance.
As a result of being evil Shinjin, Makaio/Makaioshin might lose their ability to create life & planets but more or less take on the roles of Hakaishin by being comparable in power. The demon realm might be packed full of Makaio/Makaioshin as a result of them being unable to die & move to the afterlife and so there are hundreds, thousands, and potentially millions of them waiting to take revenge on the cosmos for their condemnation & suffering.
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Re: Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:37 am

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Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:36 am
I like the idea of the Makaio & Makaioshin more, the guidebooks confirmed their existence over a decade ago and they have yet to make a single, physical appearance.
As a result of being evil Shinjin, Makaio/Makaioshin might lose their ability to create life & planets but more or less take on the roles of Hakaishin by being comparable in power. The demon realm might be packed full of Makaio/Makaioshin as a result of them being unable to die & move to the afterlife and so there are hundreds, thousands, and potentially millions of them waiting to take revenge on the cosmos for their condemnation & suffering.
Makaioshins won’t be a challenge to Goku and Vegeta anymore right now since they have SURPASSED God of Destruction level at that point. Even Lord Beerus himself, the Nr. 1.

Remember, as early as the ToP Arc did they surpass the GoD level (weaker GoDs, such as Belmod, Sidra, and Toppo.) And then came Broly, who was far beyond even Jiren, then Moro who is even above Broly. Then in the far end future, MUI Goku and Spirit Control Vegeta, will be so far beyond the God of Destruction level that it’s not even funny.

So what makes you think an evil KAIOSHIN is able to do to them, what even the Gods of Destruction can not...? Hell, even Dabura was only low SSJ2 tier! And Kaioshin himself? Well, don’t even get me started on that one.
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Re: Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by theherodjl » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:05 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:37 am
Makaioshins won’t be a challenge to Goku and Vegeta anymore right now since they have SURPASSED God of Destruction level at that point. Even Lord Beerus himself, the Nr. 1.

Remember, as early as the ToP Arc did they surpass the GoD level (weaker GoDs, such as Belmod, Sidra, and Toppo.) And then came Broly, who was far beyond even Jiren, then Moro who is even above Broly. Then in the far end future, MUI Goku and Spirit Control Vegeta, will be so far beyond the God of Destruction level that it’s not even funny.

So what makes you think an evil KAIOSHIN is able to do to them, what even the Gods of Destruction can not...? Hell, even Dabura was only low SSJ2 tier! And Kaioshin himself? Well, don’t even get me started on that one.
The Hakaishin can still obliterate Goku & Vegeta even if there is a power difference. Besides, only Goku is stronger than a Hakaishin and that's with MUI, something we don't know that he can activate at will since he's only learned to control UIO as of late.

The Makaio/Makaioshin could have room for interesting abilities on top of vastly improved strength, abilities that can affect the way Goku & Vegeta can fight or channel their Ki. A simple gravity technique by Hearts rendered even Jiren immobile, there's no telling what a horde of Hakaishin-tier evil Shinjin might develop while stewing in their hate for eons.
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Re: Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by GodVegetto91 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:16 am

theherodjl wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:05 am
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:37 am
Makaioshins won’t be a challenge to Goku and Vegeta anymore right now since they have SURPASSED God of Destruction level at that point. Even Lord Beerus himself, the Nr. 1.

Remember, as early as the ToP Arc did they surpass the GoD level (weaker GoDs, such as Belmod, Sidra, and Toppo.) And then came Broly, who was far beyond even Jiren, then Moro who is even above Broly. Then in the far end future, MUI Goku and Spirit Control Vegeta, will be so far beyond the God of Destruction level that it’s not even funny.

So what makes you think an evil KAIOSHIN is able to do to them, what even the Gods of Destruction can not...? Hell, even Dabura was only low SSJ2 tier! And Kaioshin himself? Well, don’t even get me started on that one.
The Hakaishin can still obliterate Goku & Vegeta even if there is a power difference. Besides, only Goku is stronger than a Hakaishin and that's with MUI, something we don't know that he can activate at will since he's only learned to control UIO as of late.

The Makaio/Makaioshin could have room for interesting abilities on top of vastly improved strength, abilities that can affect the way Goku & Vegeta can fight or channel their Ki. A simple gravity technique by Hearts rendered even Jiren immobile, there's no telling what a horde of Hakaishin-tier evil Shinjin might develop while stewing in their hate for eons.
Uhm no. Hakai likely only works on beings who are below or near the Hakaishin’s level. By that time, Goku and Vegeta will be so far beyond Beerus, it’s not even funny anymore. And since Goku has MUI, he will most likely be able to avoid that pretty easily. As for special techniques like the ones you mentioned, well, keep in mind that Goku will have Ultra Instinct (which is meant to avoid any and all danger) while Vegeta has Spirit Control, which is a special type of ability for which “strange techniques” will likely be ineffective against. Keep in mind that these 2 powers (MUI and Spirit Control), are not simple powerups. Many abilities and techniques will be a part of it. These are not simple powerhouses, like say, that Jiren and Broly were. It’s all far more mystical in nature. It’s not simply about mere “powaahhh.”
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Re: Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by DragonBallFoodie » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:53 pm

I always felt DB could do with the addition of demons to the saga. No angels without demons is like no smoke without fire.
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Re: Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by theherodjl » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:07 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:16 am
Uhm no. Hakai likely only works on beings who are below or near the Hakaishin’s level. By that time, Goku and Vegeta will be so far beyond Beerus, it’s not even funny anymore. And since Goku has MUI, he will most likely be able to avoid that pretty easily. As for special techniques like the ones you mentioned, well, keep in mind that Goku will have Ultra Instinct (which is meant to avoid any and all danger) while Vegeta has Spirit Control, which is a special type of ability for which “strange techniques” will likely be ineffective against. Keep in mind that these 2 powers (MUI and Spirit Control), are not simple powerups. Many abilities and techniques will be a part of it. These are not simple powerhouses, like say, that Jiren and Broly were. It’s all far more mystical in nature. It’s not simply about mere “powaahhh.”
Since when does the Hakai technique fail to work on foes who might have greater strength? It doesn't work on Angels, Zeno, and immortals but there's nothing that states that Belmod can't destroy Jiren or that Beerus can't do the same for Goku.
UI & spirit control doesn't protect anyone from destruction, they're merely a perfected form of hand-to-hand combat and a method of learning unique abilities respectively. They fail to add immunity or resistance to something like destruction or improve a fighter's inherent durability.
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Re: Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by GodVegetto91 » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:01 am

theherodjl wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:07 am
GodVegetto91 wrote:
Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:16 am
Uhm no. Hakai likely only works on beings who are below or near the Hakaishin’s level. By that time, Goku and Vegeta will be so far beyond Beerus, it’s not even funny anymore. And since Goku has MUI, he will most likely be able to avoid that pretty easily. As for special techniques like the ones you mentioned, well, keep in mind that Goku will have Ultra Instinct (which is meant to avoid any and all danger) while Vegeta has Spirit Control, which is a special type of ability for which “strange techniques” will likely be ineffective against. Keep in mind that these 2 powers (MUI and Spirit Control), are not simple powerups. Many abilities and techniques will be a part of it. These are not simple powerhouses, like say, that Jiren and Broly were. It’s all far more mystical in nature. It’s not simply about mere “powaahhh.”
Since when does the Hakai technique fail to work on foes who might have greater strength? It doesn't work on Angels, Zeno, and immortals but there's nothing that states that Belmod can't destroy Jiren or that Beerus can't do the same for Goku.
UI & spirit control doesn't protect anyone from destruction, they're merely a perfected form of hand-to-hand combat and a method of learning unique abilities respectively. They fail to add immunity or resistance to something like destruction or improve a fighter's inherent durability.
This is all 100% speculation on your part and you know it.
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Re: Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by theherodjl » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:25 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:01 am
This is all 100% speculation on your part and you know it.
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You said that the Hakai technique likely only works on an opponent who is below or near the Hakaishin's level. When was that ever stated? I recall that Beerus said that he can't Hakai an immortal being...and that was it. Neither Beerus or any other character has said that the Hakai fails to work, to any extent, on an opponent who is greater in just raw strength or technique. UI does not boost a character's defense in the vein of resistance to attacks but with instantaneous reactions to block, deflect, or dodge attacks altogether. Goku could try that with Beerus but there's not really any telling if it would work. Sidra Hakai'd an entire city and all the inhabitants in it so there may not be a range on what exactly a Hakaishin can destroy. As for spirit control, there hasn't been any such ability yet introduced that implies that they are immune or can resist a Hakaishin's power.
This can hardly be said to be speculation, I can't exactly say the same for you though.
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Re: Best idea for a future Arc. Evil Angels from the Demon Realm!

Post by Tai Lung » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:50 pm

seems unwise considering the power of these

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