Exactly it was stated that normally Goten and Trunks would spar together. Trunks would train with Vegeta, while Goten would train with Chi Chi when Gohan was studying.90sDBZ wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:44 pmIt's established very early in Z by Nappa and Vegeta that halfbreed Saiyans (and in turn Gohan) are special. Goten and Trunks are a stretch, although Trunks did have access to the gravity room from a very young age, and also sparred with Goten which would have made him stronger too.
Goku turning SS1 was a major plotpoint given tons of buildup. It also came after him training under 100x gravity, and then later recovering from near death. While anger did trigger it, the transformation still came after all that previous stuff. It felt earned, and didn't just happen out of nowhere.
My problem with 17 (and Frieza) getting that strong is it contradicts the established logic of there being limits on how strong one can get from conventional training. In Z they needed either extreme gravity, extreme conditions, recovery from near death, or a strong sparring partner. Just training alone in the woods wasn't going to cut it anymore.
Goku trained in Kaio Planet which was intense training, then he did more intense training in the space ship. It was so intense his training that he almost died a couple of times. Don't forget Goku body major beat down when Ginyu was in his body.
Krillin with just gym training was able to give Base and Super Saiyan Goku trouble, even though Master Roshi in DB training was more harder than any kind of gym.
In the movie it is completely unknown what Freeza did, it is only in the anime that we know what Freeza did. The only thing we know is that he beat a weakling and nothing else. Just because Freeza has never trained in his life doesn't excuse him getting super power by beating a weakling.MasenkoHA wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:52 pmFor Freeza it was established he never had to train a day in his life. So it’s not too out of left field that conventional training for four months would do him a lot of favors. He also didn’t train alone (at least in Super can’t remember Resurrection F) he used Tagoma as a sparring partner/punching bag
Paragus had Broly as a training partner in a harsh and dangerous planet, yet he never got that powerful.
What about Trunks that was stated to train with Pilaf, Pilaf isn't powerful. It was the episode when Bra was born I believe more or less.