TBMx wrote: ↑
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:45 am
Goku joined Vegeta's path. Training with Whis was Vegeta's idea. So because Goku got UI first, its his path now? And Vegeta just has to leave? That's sad.
"I joined you on your path and because I did better its my path now and you need to leave."
Who says he joined first in the manga?
And why would that matter anyway? He got what he wanted out of training with Whis, which was into the godly realms of power and up to Goku's level. The training is still useful even if he realizes he doesn't want to keep pushing himself down the path to UI and trailing Goku, who's better adapted to it.
And he chose to go to Yardrat, something Goku did all the way back in the Frieza saga. But yes he diverted from what Goku was doing in this arc. But training some place Goku went when I was fourteen was never going to get him to first place when Goku's training all out with a literal Angel in the ROSAT.
Vegeta goes to Yardrat because of a need--to beat Moro. He even espouses on how much he dislikes the idea of having to rely on strange techniques to do so. But part of his character arc that story line is growing into a role as a genuine hero and atoning for his past, so he'll do whatever it takes. Making the trip to Yardrat and learning specialized techniques aren't part of his normal training--although he does benefit from a strength boost by having done so (and apparently catches up to and/or surpasses UI Sign).
The own way thing doesnt work because Vegeta's choosing methods that obviously have no chance against Goku. Goku could finger flick him dead now because SSBE is a bum form and Vegeta's spirit control broke down back into his normal rage.
"Spirit" is just what the Yardratians call ki. He gets better at using it while he's there.
The climax of the Moro specifically implies that Vegeta is able to outdo UI Sign Goku while using SSBE, so apparently he's not on a super wrong path. Obviously he's behind full UI, but he seems to believe (and is probably correct) that he'd be behind Goku even had he continued to pursue it himself. At least this way he's progressing on his own terms.
He'd probably never
outdo Goku just playing catch-up with UI. This way he at least has a chance, and if not, he's failing on his own terms.
Vegeta said "I gave up all hope of that actually", implying right before Goku got it, he had hope. And he was told itd be tougher for him. So why'd he suddenly change his mind after 4 years of hoping hyst cos Goku got there first? When he was basically told in RoF thats very likely?
That realisation should have been made way earlier.
Okay, but it wasn't, so ...?
The cards aligned to push him into that realization then. In their previous years of training they were also both pre-occupied with mastering Blue. They spend the better part of two arcs developing Blue to make more it useful--taking turns in doing so--but by the end of them and when the form seems perfected, he's still trailing in second place. UI had only come back into the fore as the immediate goal that very arc. It's a ripe time for him to be re-evaluating his training and re-evaluating UI in particular, with the events in the ring of the ToP being the final trigger for making the decision he does.
Again, FOUR YEARS? Four years to of being on that path to realize he shouldn't? So all those sessions with Whis to teach him UI is just wasted? For what? Just a vague hope that something better comes along.
Idk. It's also weird to imply that if you realize you're on the wrong path after four years you should just keep pouring time into doing the wrong thing for you.
Again, Vegeta gets plenty out of the training in those four years, and after having mastered Blue, is struck with the realization that going any further down the same path as Goku is just going to keep him in second place.
Again, it's not Goku's path. Its Vegeta's path that Goku joined later. This is part of the fan rewrites that people just throw out there. Its important not to change history.
1) Maybe, as far as the manga is concerned. It never tells us that.
2) Why would it matter either way?
People have life experiences where they start down one path, get useful growth out of it, then ultimately realize it's not going to get them where they want. It doesn't really matter if they started doing it before someone who takes to it better? Like, that's just an actual life experience that people have?
As a reader, I feel it's both justified and more interesting to have him pursuing his own kind of growth rather than just getting what Goku does later.