Your avatars make me feel like I'm fighting the real Jiren and Zamasu! I guess that makes me Jaco...as a Super Elite, I cannot back down!!
Jiren The Alpha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:27 amAnd Jiren is such a great hero, look at how he save his teammates in the manga from geting eliminated (he did not want too save Dyspo and Toppo from elimination)......and getting blocked by ROSHI, what a great way too make your antagonist look like a threat
In the manga, we actually see Jiren save the day as a super hero, and he doesn't even kill the monster. He doesn't "save" his teammates because he thinks they'll just get in his way (which is partially true), and he thinks he can save them all on his own. The Kame-sen'nin bit ties in perfectly with the idea that Migatte no Gokui is about more than just brawn, which the anime barely even attempts, and Jiren is dealt zero damage.
Manga Jiren is a sad hero with a selfish wish. Anime Jiren is an egomaniac. He meditates for half of the tournament. He lashes out and attacks innocent bystanders. His backstory is completely detached from the Jiren leading up to that moment and barely ties in with the finale.
SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:35 am
And Zamasu himself is "overdone", in the sense that he's very vainglorious and prideful. Black in the manga is too brutish and savage, he lacks the elegance and beauty that he has in the anime. All those beautiful and refined techniques he has in the anime, like the Divine Lasso, are lacking in the manga. In the manga he just uses fists and brute strength. That doesn't fit the elegance and beauty of Zamasu himself.
He's "overdone" in the way that Jared Leto's Joker is overdone. They're trying too hard to make him sinister and glorious. Why does he talk about his opponents as food? It's just creepy and has nothing to do with Zamasu. Is that meant to play on Goku's hunger? I just find it cringy. Sorry if you like that, but since you didn't mention it, I figured I would.
I don't find the manga's take to be overly brutish or savage. His techniques fit a Kaio(shin) in Goku's body.
SupremeKai25 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:35 amIn fact Black in the manga doesn't even have any unique technique... at least Fused Zamasu used the portals technique and the Katchin blocks technique. Black? He has no unique technique whatsoever, completely barebones portrayal of the character.
Why should he have a unique technique? He has Goku's abilities because he stole Goku's body. Why does anime Merged Zamasu summon a giant bird for no reason? Gotenks makes up attacks, but they're played for laughs, and he's just a kid having fun.
Jiren The Alpha wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:27 am
And Goku Black losing his cool like a classic villian is not overdone? Him getting beat by Vegeta the prince of Ls in his first fight( Zamasu had too heal him) and his second fight is somehow good for the character?
, this is Dragon Ball, a series about fighting, præsentation matters and Goku Black and Zamasu looked like chumps.
Do Black and Zamasu not lose their cools in the anime? Having Vegeta initially beat Black makes Trunks' plan make sense; Black is a character that Trunks could not beat (even though he fights almost as equals in the anime at some point) but Vegeta and Goku could (based on his knowledge at the time). The only thing that prevents Vegeta's victory is the team-up of both Zamasu's, which is better implemented/explained in the manga, and could not have been predicted by Trunks. Black and Zamasu both play to their unique strengths. I prefer that over the meaningless flashiness of the anime.