Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

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Re: Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

Post by Super Saiyan Swagger » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:42 pm

Xeogran wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:27 pm When can we expect some news? The Battle Hour thingy in February?
Most likely. They did mention that they were going to have Super Hero content at that event. They'll probably reveal the second trailer there.

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Post by PurestEvil » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:40 pm

Super Saiyan Swagger wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:42 pm
Xeogran wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:27 pm When can we expect some news? The Battle Hour thingy in February?
Most likely. They did mention that they were going to have Super Hero content at that event. They'll probably reveal the second trailer there.
Oh goody good good, I hope that’s the case. Maybe we will see more of the plot being revealed then.
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Post by Pafupafu » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:38 am

Skar wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:12 pm
Mr_CINDER wrote: Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:40 pmToei taking chances with this movie because INMO 1. Toriyama is okay with any changes 2 dosent matter Demon slayer is The highest grossing anime movie of all time nothing can outdo DB's legacy ,yeah sure Demon slayer Movie is the highest grossing anime movie but still There is a long way to go in terms of franchise worth to catch DB and Outdo its legacy. Again INMO no matter how much MCU movie's earn nobody can out do Supes and Batman's legacy.
Well I wasn't talking about legacy or quality. I was only pointing out other major anime franchises haven't transitioned to full CGI so I don't know why DB would after one film. Saying it could happen isn't the same as saying it's anime trend since there would be some examples already.
Makes sense to me. I guess my thoughts and trends in animated films and series lies in USA-based stats first. I don’t follow Japan’s animated box office enough but they definitely have a culture that is more accepting of 2D animation than a general English-speaking youth audience.

Anyone that thinks CGI is more expensive than hand drawn animation isn’t understanding my initial point. The initial investment and resources to build assets is certainly a budget beyond a typical 2D animation but it eventually catches up budget-wise due to efficiencies and reliance on pre-existing work/creations.

Look I came here to put out a heavy professional opinion about the future of series/films, which is completely in the dark right now. If anyone has any other specific reasoning behind the use of CGI animation for this next film, I’m all ears as well. It’s frankly hard for me to see it any other way. To build all of the assets from this film and then shelve them (in a franchise that has a storied history of animation deficiencies) makes zero sense to me.

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Post by Xeno Goku Black » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:41 am

Less than three months....there's no hype for this at all. Have they even announced a dub for this?

Broly had a dubbed trailer half a year before the Japanese release. This has nothing. Are Toei just not bothering because they expect it to flop?

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Post by PurestEvil » Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:05 am

Xeno Goku Black wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:41 am Less than three months....there's no hype for this at all. Have they even announced a dub for this?

Broly had a dubbed trailer half a year before the Japanese release. This has nothing. Are Toei just not bothering because they expect it to flop?
On the contrary, I believe TOEI hopes that people will watch a Dragon Ball film no matter what
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:21 am

Yeah I'm not seeing much hype for this movie. Like at all.

How disappointing that this is the first new content after 4 years of no new content aside from the Heroes promotional anime.

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Post by Issei189 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:23 am

Xeno Goku Black wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:41 am Less than three months....there's no hype for this at all. Have they even announced a dub for this?

Broly had a dubbed trailer half a year before the Japanese release. This has nothing. Are Toei just not bothering because they expect it to flop?
Well, There was hype for it on social media when the trailer featuring Gohan vs those Andriods and him going SS was shown. Then again there was hype when it was announced that Piccolo and Gohan will be the lead. Gohan was also trending on twitter during that day, so that's not really an issue. Right now there's nothing really to talk about when only a few details regarding the plot were shown in the last trailer, so this is why there's a lack of Buzz currently. DBS Broly just had more trailers and had better trailers too.

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Post by Skar » Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:30 am

Pafupafu wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:38 amLook I came here to put out a heavy professional opinion about the future of series/films, which is completely in the dark right now. If anyone has any other specific reasoning behind the use of CGI animation for this next film, I’m all ears as well. It’s frankly hard for me to see it any other way. To build all of the assets from this film and then shelve them (in a franchise that has a storied history of animation deficiencies) makes zero sense to me.
No worries and it's nice hearing the perspective of someone who works in the industry. I just meant that your experience might not apply to anime based on what we've seen. Box office numbers are readily available online so I noticed only two CGI anime films made it to the top 50 while most don't perform that well. Those two were the Stand by Me Doraemon films with the first grossing more than Broly and second more than BoG or RoF. That didn't stop the franchise from returning to 2D animation between the release of those films and afterwards. If DB does continue with only CGI, I'm pretty sure it would be the first anime franchise to do that. It's possible but my point is that it doesn't seem to be based on any existing anime trend.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:56 am

PurestEvil wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:05 am
Xeno Goku Black wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:41 am Less than three months....there's no hype for this at all. Have they even announced a dub for this?

Broly had a dubbed trailer half a year before the Japanese release. This has nothing. Are Toei just not bothering because they expect it to flop?
On the contrary, I believe TOEI hopes that people will watch a Dragon Ball film no matter what
That's what I suspect as well. Toei are banking on this film pulling in decent numbers at the box office on brand name alone. But to be fair, Dragon Ball has generated billions of dollars in revenue as an IP over nearly a decade of new content, so this kind of confidence isn't entirely misplaced.

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Post by Pafupafu » Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:38 pm

This is the first DB film with Disney owning the US distribution rights to - correct? I wonder if that has anything to do with delays in dubbed marketing material to date.

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Post by omaro34 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:28 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:56 am
PurestEvil wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:05 am
Xeno Goku Black wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:41 am Less than three months....there's no hype for this at all. Have they even announced a dub for this?

Broly had a dubbed trailer half a year before the Japanese release. This has nothing. Are Toei just not bothering because they expect it to flop?
On the contrary, I believe TOEI hopes that people will watch a Dragon Ball film no matter what
That's what I suspect as well. Toei are banking on this film pulling in decent numbers at the box office on brand name alone. But to be fair, Dragon Ball has generated billions of dollars in revenue as an IP over nearly a decade of new content, so this kind of confidence isn't entirely misplaced.
I would agree if the Broly movie wasn't hyped before it came out, but it most certainly was. I wonder why this movie pales in comparison to the Broly film in terms of advertising.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:53 pm

omaro34 wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:28 pm
Lord Beerus wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:56 am
PurestEvil wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:05 am

On the contrary, I believe TOEI hopes that people will watch a Dragon Ball film no matter what
That's what I suspect as well. Toei are banking on this film pulling in decent numbers at the box office on brand name alone. But to be fair, Dragon Ball has generated billions of dollars in revenue as an IP over nearly a decade of new content, so this kind of confidence isn't entirely misplaced.
I would agree if the Broly movie wasn't hyped before it came out, but it most certainly was. I wonder why this movie pales in comparison to the Broly film in terms of advertising.
That's what confuses me the most. The advertising for this film has been TERRIBLE. Especially when you compare to how the last three movies were promoted. You'd think Toei would make a big deal out of a new Dragon Ball film, but they really haven't.

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Post by TheMajinRedComet » Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:29 pm

I would guess they are being conservative with marketing because of Covid. They don't want to waste a bunch of money marketing it than have to delay it and than spend more money. They will market it more closely to the release date.
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Post by capsulecorp » Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:44 pm

Apart from advertising, or the lack thereof, its encouraging to see so much hype from the fans (for example, this very thread!). I remember when the Broly movie was announced there was a lot of negativity surrounding the idea of bringing back a character from an old movie, how it was not very creative, just crass commercialism... but it seems like there's genuine excitement about seeing more of Pan and of course Piccolo.

Of course, the 3D is the elephant in the room, and I can't pretend to be excited about that... but we'll just have to see. At least the new character designs are strong!

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Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:49 pm

capsulecorp wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:44 pm Apart from advertising, or the lack thereof, its encouraging to see so much hype from the fans (for example, this very thread!). I remember when the Broly movie was announced there was a lot of negativity surrounding the idea of bringing back a character from an old movie, how it was not very creative, just crass commercialism... but it seems like there's genuine excitement about seeing more of Pan and of course Piccolo.

Of course, the 3D is the elephant in the room, and I can't pretend to be excited about that... but we'll just have to see. At least the new character designs are strong!
Huh? The Broly movie had unreal levels of hype, with most of the negativity being quickly shouted down.
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Post by SupremeKai25 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:58 pm

capsulecorp wrote: Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:44 pm Apart from advertising, or the lack thereof, its encouraging to see so much hype from the fans (for example, this very thread!). I remember when the Broly movie was announced there was a lot of negativity surrounding the idea of bringing back a character from an old movie, how it was not very creative, just crass commercialism... but it seems like there's genuine excitement about seeing more of Pan and of course Piccolo.

Of course, the 3D is the elephant in the room, and I can't pretend to be excited about that... but we'll just have to see. At least the new character designs are strong!
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Post by Koitsukai » Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:24 pm

I don't have any hung ups with the CGI, really. Leaving aside the obviously criticizable fact that it might require less people to work on it, from what I've seen I'm ok with it. I mean, it's not DBZ Kakarot's faces or hairdues.

Of course, we must wait and see what the actual movie looks like, and not base our opinions on pictures, posters or 20-second trailers, but so far there's nothing that looks bad to me, but I do feel there's a prejudice going around just because it's CGI and that alone, not the result of an actual assessment of it because we'll there's nothing to go by yet.
On the contrary, I kinda dig it, I honestly don't see what's so bad about it (again, not taking into account the repercussions for the workers), I'm not used to this type of shading but it isn't disgusting either, and it's better than what we got in BoG and RoF, those awful scenes sure are unbearable, but as of now, the CGI has done nothing to make me think this is going to suck.

What is weird is to have only 20 seconds to go by when the movie is coming out in less than 3 months. It feels more like a movie coming out in december than in april.

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Post by Mister_Popo » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:47 pm

Considering it's 3D, it could have looked a lot worse, but that does not take away from the fact this clearly is still a step back in comparison to Broly. Having received nothing animated at all in four years time for the main timeline, i think it lies within reason to understand some people are disappointed or at least worried concerning the end result and its possible consequences for the future. Although one should first watch the end result to give a final judgement, i'm not going to play hypocrite and say that it simply does not matter as long it looks 'just all right'. DB should get the highest animation quality available, and at this point that is still 2D, certainly after seeing the trailers other animes presented at Jump Festa, in my opinion. DBS should be amongst those guys in terms of animation quality, definitely because this one is a movie, which tends to have even higher quality than a series.

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Post by BWri » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:02 pm

Issei189 wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:23 am
Xeno Goku Black wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:41 am Less than three months....there's no hype for this at all. Have they even announced a dub for this?

Broly had a dubbed trailer half a year before the Japanese release. This has nothing. Are Toei just not bothering because they expect it to flop?
Well, There was hype for it on social media when the trailer featuring Gohan vs those Andriods and him going SS was shown. Then again there was hype when it was announced that Piccolo and Gohan will be the lead. Gohan was also trending on twitter during that day, so that's not really an issue. Right now there's nothing really to talk about when only a few details regarding the plot were shown in the last trailer, so this is why there's a lack of Buzz currently. DBS Broly just had more trailers and had better trailers too.
Piccolo's house and Pan got a lot of hype too when those were shown off. Saw those all over the internet when that come out. Super, in general, has been quiet for a while in mainstream circles.
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Post by capsulecorp » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:08 pm

Yeah, I don't know, it's a funny thing. This isn't to deny that the original Broly movie was popular, but I know a lot of people who don't have much respect for the old Toei DBZ movies (they're "so bad they're good", at best), so the idea of bringing Broly back was met with some eyerolls and some negativity.

Online, that may not have been the case, I didn't read Kanzenshuu at that time so I don't know what people thought here.

With this movie, I see a lot of people saying "fans will reject this!".... but I don't actually SEE the fans saying "I reject this!", I actually see a lot of people that seem to be excited, even despite the CGI, which no one is enthusiastic about, lol. I guess we'll see!

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